F1 2022

Status
Not open for further replies.
deesef said:
Now you are just being silly. Perez let Max glide through with no resistance on Saturday. Max gladly took the place that was handed to him. I'm sure that you are aware of that!
Click to expand...
But Max was faster, as always? He pulled away from him? Surely that can't be seen as helping your teammate, by just letting the faster one through?
I'm not trying to defend Max, In fact my first post here on the matter(before the rumors came out), I said his response was ridiculous as there is almost no chance for him to help Checo in the last race.
I'm just giving the other side to all these people that permanently want to insult the guy and hang him before all the facts are known. Same as they did to Rb before the FIA announcement on the budget cap.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
But Max was faster, as always? He pulled away from him? Surely that can't be seen as helping your teammate, by just letting the faster one through?
I'm not trying to defend Max, In fact my first post here on the matter(before the rumors came out), I said his response was ridiculous as there is almost no chance for him to help Checo in the last race.
I'm just giving the other side to all these people that permanently want to insult the guy and hang him before all the facts are known. Same as they did to Rb before the FIA announcement on the budget cap.
Click to expand...
Perez has shown that he is very good with blocking. He did not try to block Max, on the premise that he would get the place back if Max could not pass the cars in front. That is always considered helping the teammate...
 
deesef said:
Perez has shown that he is very good with blocking. He did not try to block Max, on the premise that he would get the place back if Max could not pass the cars in front. That is always considered helping the teammate...
Click to expand...
Its easy to block when you have nothing to lose and the other guy cannot afford to be involved in a collision as it could cost him the championship. Doing the same with your teammate and both going out the race will however not go down good, especially if you the second driver.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I will say it again. The FIA stated that there was no malicious intent with RB going over the cost cap. I stand corrected, but that was the first year this cost cap was introduced. So there is every chance that teams could misinterpret a few things. If there was any chance the FIA thought that RB got any advantage, they would have given them a harsher penalty. If the FIA decided to give Rd Bull a harsher penalty on a misinterpretation of the new rules, RB would probably take them to court, that why RB took a strong stance because they knew they had a good case probably.

AS for the 'Human error". Why did Merc not take this to court? Even before the FIA statement?
Do you think that its plausible that there could be no evidence that Masi was wrong and they just gave him a fat paycheck to take the fall, with a clause that he may not say anything while sipping Pina Coladas on an island? I mean we all know what's going on in the world, the FIA don't want further bad press from the cancel culture?
Click to expand...
Once again you're not engaging on the argument but just pivoting and reverting to your suppositions and whataboutisms.

I'll go back to the original argument - can you tell the difference between 1) a penalty (right or wrong) being given within the procedure as set forth in the sporting code and 2) the sporting code not being followed as it was written and as per precedent?

Yes or No.
 
quovadis said:
Once again you're not engaging on the argument but just pivoting and reverting to your suppositions and whataboutisms.

I'll go back to the original argument - can you tell the difference between 1) a penalty (right or wrong) being given within the procedure as set forth in the sporting code and 2) the sporting code not being followed as it was written and as per precedent?

Yes or No.
Click to expand...
Yes I can. The fact remain that the user said Max must do the right thing because the FIA made a mistake that has nothing to do with Max. Which I find ridiculous. So for example I said Hamilton should do the right thing with a mistake the Stewards made, that has nothing to do with Hamilton. Which is just as ridiculous.


Now can you say if you can tell the difference between a sporting code not being followed with intend and by a non-malicious interpretation.
Yes or no?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Yes I can. The fact remain that the user said Max must do the right thing because the FIA made a mistake that has nothing to do with Max. Which I find ridiculous. So for example I said Hamilton should do the right thing with a mistake the Stewards made, that has nothing to do with Hamilton. Which is just as ridiculous.


Now can you say if you can tell the difference between a sporting code not being followed with intend and by a non-malicious interpretation.
Yes or no?
Click to expand...
Apparently you cannot.
 
Dave said:
You know what they say about chess and pigeons?
Click to expand...

Exactly, and then you arseholes keep on quoting him when I already put him on ignore, which means I have to read his posts or I have no idea what the discussion is about. He's just basically throwing dung at the wall and hoping some sticks though. So I'll keep him there for now.
 
Craig_ said:
Exactly, and then you arseholes keep on quoting him when I already put him on ignore, which means I have to read his posts or I have no idea what the discussion is about. He's just basically throwing dung at the wall and hoping some sticks though. So I'll keep him there for now.
Click to expand...
I have no idea what you and Dave are talking about as I now have so many people in my ignore list that I am only seeing 20% of posts :). It is starting to feel a little lonely without of the debate but my stress levels are great and I haven't broken a keyboard in frustration for a month at least :laugh:
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
You said Max is a (whatever swear/insult you Merc boys like to use) as he did not do the right thing and give the title back that he did not deserve. So I asked why did Hamilton not give back the second place from Brazil as everyone said Max should not have gotten a penalty. The same scenario as the stupid one you made up.
Click to expand...
I thiink you are referring to me. LH doesn't have to give anything back. MV was found to be at fault and very obviously so so why would LH have to give the position back. I have watched the onboards again and saw some analysis of the situation again. One thing is very clear, while LH already positioned his car for the turn MV didn't even bother turning his wheel when they approached the corner. He was still heading straight for LH.

Seems like this incident was deliberate
 
jdido87 said:
I thiink you are referring to me. LH doesn't have to give anything back. MV was found to be at fault and very obviously so so why would LH have to give the position back. I have watched the onboards again and saw some analysis of the situation again. One thing is very clear, while LH already positioned his car for the turn MV didn't even bother turning his wheel when they approached the corner. He was still heading straight for LH.

Seems like this incident was deliberate
Click to expand...
But everyone else thought it was a human error and Max should not got a penalty? Even the bias British commentators?
LH did not leave room, Do you expect Max to turn and drive over the corner/track limits and get penalized?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
But everyone else thought it was a human error and Max should not got a penalty? Even the bias British commentators?
LH did not leave room, Do you expect Max to turn and drive over the corner/track limits and get penalized?
Click to expand...
He did have enough room, LH got head again while there was enough room for MV. MV should've backed out while LH starting making the turn while he was already ahead of MV. Instead Max carried far too much speed and did not even make an attempt to turn prior to the making contact.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X