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Enzo Matrix said:
What do the rules say about the defending driver ALSO leaving the track to prevent the attacking driver from passing? Surely het should also get a penalty for gaining an advantage?

Sorry im not as clever as you, and might come across as a whiner
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The rules don't say anything about that, which is why Max's technique is entirely legal.
 
Decarin said:
We are not race drivers, we are just fans. We don't study the rule book or anything, we just watch the race weekend.


The drivers do understand the rules, but each team actually has someone on staff to study the rules of the formula to look for loopholes and to make sure the team isn't breaking the rules in some way.


The rules for overtaking are complicated, probably more complicated than we all realise.


This is the pinnacle of motor racing, everyone has a favourite team or driver and they don't want to see them treated unfairly. Go back a few decades and you will see the same thing.... I'm not sure what you were expecting.
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So why do you question the FIA decisions? Surely they know more than you/us?
 
quovadis said:
It’s just being cheeky. The evidence is that their decision and how they came to it wasn’t available until after the hearing. Once again though there is almost zero chance of introducing anything new if the stewards truly don’t want it to be considered new.
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Which is completely rational and fair. No sport allows participants to force the referee to reconsider his/her decision without new evidence. Allowing that becomes a very slippery slope where participants essentially get in an argument with the ref because they disagree with the decision.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
UHM let me explain to you again.
The rules say you may not overtake out of track limits. Do you get that?
Max was leading in the apex. What happens after that have no impact. The rules say you not allowed to overtake when of track limits. If you or anyone else have a problem of how it happens, then the rules must change. Then Max and the other top drivers will push the limits of the new rules and you bunch will get something new to complain about when your British drivers cant take the heat.

Edit: Oh and he did not gain an advantage. He was in the lead at the apex and was overtaken, so no advantage gained.
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You know you can try make your point without the loaded language. I'll just add that it's interesting that rules seem so important to you now.
 
Speedster said:
Which is completely rational and fair. No sport allows participants to force the referee to reconsider his/her decision without new evidence. Allowing that becomes a very slippery slope where participants essentially get in an argument with the ref because they disagree with the decision.
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Mclaren is playing chess not checkers. They have on record now that the stewards were arguably objectively wrong in their determination and unable to reverse their decision and chose procedural over sporting grounds to do so. It just adds to the arsenal of those who want better and more professional stewarding of races and regulatory oversight. I don't think for one moment that Mclaren thought they'd have it reversed.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Until someone uses it against him and it ends in a massive crash because he doesn't have the brains to back off to avoid that happening...
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You know Mike, you keep coming up with these one liners that does not make any sense.
In Austria Max was in the lead going into a corner and Lando dive-bombed him on the inside locking up his brakes. Max then swerved in a split second avoiding contact and left the track? SO what you claim makes no sense.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Until someone uses it against him and it ends in a massive crash because he doesn't have the brains to back off to avoid that happening...
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These two are clashing too often, and it will result in both of them not finishing a race one day. Charles knows how to handle Max and I think he expects Max to pull some crazy moves, so their battles are very good. Respectful, even. Lewis doesn't let Max get away with stuff as he holds his ground or turns into him like he's not there. This lets Max know not to get too close. Lando has much to learn in sparring with Max, which leads to Max basically pushing him off the track.
 
Decarin said:
These two are clashing too often, and it will result in both of them not finishing a race one day. Charles knows how to handle Max and I think he expects Max to pull some crazy moves, so their battles are very good. Respectful, even. Lewis doesn't let Max get away with stuff as he holds his ground or turns into him like he's not there. This lets Max know not to get too close. Lando has much to learn in sparring with Max, which leads to Max basically pushing him off the track.
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Max/Norris, Max/Charles, Max/Hamilton - I wonder what the common denominator in these controversies is...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Until someone uses it against him and it ends in a massive crash because he doesn't have the brains to back off to avoid that happening...
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Still doesn't make it illegal. Every elite sportsperson in the world uses the rules to their advantage.

Rassie and Springbok rugby is a prime example of a team maximising rule usage to the point where the president of World Rugby is saying the rules need to be changed because he doesn't like what the team are doing.

It's the same with cricket players bowling yorkers on the wide line, or KP switching his batting stance. And so there are multiple examples in every sort
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Max/Norris, Max/Charles, Max/Hamilton - I wonder what the common denominator in these controversies is...
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Eish Mike, another one liner that makes no sense.
Hamilton/Vettel, Hamilton/Verstappen, Hamilton/Rosberg - what is the common denominator?
Schumacher/Hill, Schumacher/Villeneuve, Schumacher/Hakkinen - what is the common denominator?
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Max/Norris, Max/Charles, Max/Hamilton - I wonder what the common denominator in these controversies is...
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The common denominator is that Max is the leading driver of his generation and so the other guys push hard against him. It was the same with Hamilton, Schumacher, Senna, Prost and every other driver in their prime. Last time Max and Lewis had their tussle Lewis knew that colliding with Max was a win for him (see Silverstone), just like Max knows colliding with Norris takes him closer to a 4th title.
 
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