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Fastes Car argument is a moot point.

the 2007 Mclaren was not the best car on the gird, that was the Ferrari. Alonso and Hamilton showed their skill to get the wins, and either of them could have been world champion if Alonso wasnt being a prat to try and stop HAM from winning that year.

2008 was again the ferrari was by far the best car. and Massa should have won it comfortably, but then Ferrari did a ferrari and killed his chances gifting HAM the championship that he won based on his driver skill.

2009 the car got better, after the teams figured out what BRAWN did to the car, but again Mclaren and Ferrari were neck and neck in the last part of the season.

2010 Red Bull dominated, but Mclaren were fighting but could not catch it.
2011 REd Bull dominated and Both Mclaren and Ferrari fought but could not match.
2012 was a super close year cold have gone to any of 6 drivers at one point in the season. eventually Seb took the win but it was close.
2013 was again close between Seb and alonso in the ferrari the Merc and Mclaren were fighting but not really.
2014 the Merc engine gave them the title not just on performance but also on reliability, HAM took it over Rosberg because of skill.
2015 again Close between Merc and Ferrari and even Red bull, but the Renault Engine killed the Red bull chances and consistancy gave HAM the win over Ros
2016 there was no contest the Merc's were clearly ahead of the field. Ros had a few bits of good luck and HAM had a few bits of bad luck, and made a few mistakes, still made a fight of it though.
2017 if you look only at results Merc won 12 of the 20 races, Ferrari won 5 and RB won 3. SEb had 3 pole positions, the rest were all Merc poles. so yes the Merc Dominated.
2018 started off very close. the Ferrari was arguably the better car. there was big fights between Merc and Red Bull, and then the Ferrari fell off a cliff when the Double fuel injection thing as banned. from there Lewis Dominated. he took all 11 Merc wins that year.
2019 Merc Dominated hard. 15 wins from 21 races.
2020 again Dominant performance, 13 wins from 17 races for the Merc only 2 going to Bottas.
2021 Merc was not the fastest Car Red Bull was. Lewis fought until the end.
2022 MAx Dominance and half a seson of fighting from Ferrari. Merc Nowhere, HAm kept fighting.
2023 REd Bull dominance, Max more so. Merc Nowhere, but Ham was always fighting.
2024 5 races of red Bull Dominance, then Mclaren came up and botched the title fight with stupid strategy calls.

so Ham got into a car that was a top 4 car in a season that was very compensative. he did not get into a Winning car, he and Alonso MADE it a winning car. his second season he again did not have the top car, but he took the championship. Ferrari won 8 of 18 races Ham won 5.

so again, to say he got into a championship winning car is factually inaccurate.
 
Fastes Car argument is a moot point.

the 2007 Mclaren was not the best car on the gird, that was the Ferrari. Alonso and Hamilton showed their skill to get the wins, and either of them could have been world champion if Alonso wasnt being a prat to try and stop HAM from winning that year.

2008 was again the ferrari was by far the best car. and Massa should have won it comfortably, but then Ferrari did a ferrari and killed his chances gifting HAM the championship that he won based on his driver skill.

2009 the car got better, after the teams figured out what BRAWN did to the car, but again Mclaren and Ferrari were neck and neck in the last part of the season.

2010 Red Bull dominated, but Mclaren were fighting but could not catch it.
2011 REd Bull dominated and Both Mclaren and Ferrari fought but could not match.
2012 was a super close year cold have gone to any of 6 drivers at one point in the season. eventually Seb took the win but it was close.
2013 was again close between Seb and alonso in the ferrari the Merc and Mclaren were fighting but not really.
2014 the Merc engine gave them the title not just on performance but also on reliability, HAM took it over Rosberg because of skill.
2015 again Close between Merc and Ferrari and even Red bull, but the Renault Engine killed the Red bull chances and consistancy gave HAM the win over Ros
2016 there was no contest the Merc's were clearly ahead of the field. Ros had a few bits of good luck and HAM had a few bits of bad luck, and made a few mistakes, still made a fight of it though.
2017 if you look only at results Merc won 12 of the 20 races, Ferrari won 5 and RB won 3. SEb had 3 pole positions, the rest were all Merc poles. so yes the Merc Dominated.
2018 started off very close. the Ferrari was arguably the better car. there was big fights between Merc and Red Bull, and then the Ferrari fell off a cliff when the Double fuel injection thing as banned. from there Lewis Dominated. he took all 11 Merc wins that year.
2019 Merc Dominated hard. 15 wins from 21 races.
2020 again Dominant performance, 13 wins from 17 races for the Merc only 2 going to Bottas.
2021 Merc was not the fastest Car Red Bull was. Lewis fought until the end.
2022 MAx Dominance and half a seson of fighting from Ferrari. Merc Nowhere, HAm kept fighting.
2023 REd Bull dominance, Max more so. Merc Nowhere, but Ham was always fighting.
2024 5 races of red Bull Dominance, then Mclaren came up and botched the title fight with stupid strategy calls.

so Ham got into a car that was a top 4 car in a season that was very compensative. he did not get into a Winning car, he and Alonso MADE it a winning car. his second season he again did not have the top car, but he took the championship. Ferrari won 8 of 18 races Ham won 5.

so again, to say he got into a championship winning car is factually inaccurate.

how can you say the McLaren wasn't a winning car and they made it?? they won 4 out of 7 races at the start of the season?
so no he got into a winning car, that's obvious to anyone, facts don't lie.

do people hate facts, I really don't get that... the earth is round, that's a fact

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how can you say the McLaren wasn't a winning car and they made it?? they won 4 out of 7 races at the start of the season?
so no he got into a winning car, that's obvious to anyone, facts don't lie.

do people hate facts, I really don't get that... the earth is round, that's a fact

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The car can't win on it's own, it needs a really good driver. That's sort of the point everyone is making dude. That's like saying if you put Stroll into a really dominant RB he'd win, and all of us knows that that won't happen. Just like Lando had the fastest car for quite a few races and couldn't pull a gap on Max.
 
how can you say the McLaren wasn't a winning car and they made it?? they won 4 out of 7 races at the start of the season?
so no he got into a winning car, that's obvious to anyone, facts don't lie.

do people hate facts, I really don't get that... the earth is round, that's a fact

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that was not a dominant car.
it was a good car in a competitive season.

remember it was Both drivers first sesason with the team. Alonso left Renault and Ham was a rookie.
the team was disqualified from the Constructors Championship for stealing Ferrari's design.

so imagine the Racing point from 2020 that copied the 2019 Merc put in a 2 time world champion and a rookie into the car, and that car fought a close battle with the 2020 merc all season. and both the Racing point drivers were Tied for second at the end of the season, and the Merc top driver won the season by 1 point. that is effectively what happend. so dont come tell me they have a championship winning car. they had a clone of a championship winning car, and 2 fantastic drivers that could get the most our of the car and make it perform better than it had any rights to perform
 
I feel like that is something I have said about Max a lot.

I do not agree with Russel on pushing for the penalty for Max not at all.
but I do agree with him on the way Max lashes out.

I really hope the Merc is competitive next year so there can be some battles between George and Max and we can see what they are both made of.


my gut feel is the title will be between Ferrari and Mclaren, with any of the 4 drivers being able to get it done, in my opinion those are the teams with the strongest drivers. Merc is too uknown with Kimi, and no matter who is Max's team mate the pairing wont be as strong as Mclaren or Ferrari.


but man a championship fight between Russel and Verstappen could be beautiful to watch. see them both explode on the radio.

I hope this is the start of George's Villan era. glimpses we saw when he slapped bottas's helmet coming though. all out barney track side after Max Dive Bombs George and both go off.
 
lets make an F1 2025 Bingo card.
ferari bothcing strategey.
Mclaren fumbling with team orders.
rookie putting it in a wall. 3 of them needed
Stroll causing a crash.
Ocon taking out his team mate.
Lewis being grateful.
Max Exploding at his engineer.
fight between Max and George off track, not needed to be physical
Tsunoda having a freak out over radio.
Red Bulll changing drivers mid season.
Oscar being perfectly calm in a situation when other drivers would freak out.
Alonso being disappointed.
Le Clerck pushing too hard in a quali lap and crashing.
Lando being unlucky.
alpine getting lucky.
Sauber Scoring points


any other ideas for the bingo card?
 
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Pretty boy George who is trying to be a model has become a twat. George was a cry baby wanker we all know that, it's like a school class tattle tale all the time, does anybody like those people in class? no... you're a driver just get on and drive, stop now trying to screw everybody over to benefit yourself.

And now that someone who he screwed over gets cross with him he now lashes out and says, "how dare Max lash out at me lashing out?!" WTF :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Alonso says you've been a twat, you've been a twat... just walk away
 
It's like that old saying, two twats don't make a peen or whatever it is.
 
lets make an F1 2025 Bingo card.
ferari bothcing strategey. they will ask the drivers to decide
Mclaren fumbling with team orders. only late season if Lando is unhappy
rookie putting it in a wall. 3 of them needed all of them in the first GP, Williams bankrupt
Stroll causing a crash. every race, but will shine in 1 or 2 of them
Ocon taking out his team mate. the GOAT
Lewis being grateful. lewis giving up because he won't handle the tifosi might become transgender
Max Exploding at his engineer. depends on the car performance
fight between Max and George off track, not needed to be physical george cries harder Max shaves his eyebrows
Tsunoda having a freak out over radio. moves to RB
Red Bulll changing drivers mid season. Perez swop with Yuki
Oscar being perfectly calm in a situation when other drivers would freak out. Oscar falls asleep but wins a lot
Alonso being disappointed. Legends are never disappointed
Le Clerck pushing too hard in a quali lap and crashing. most poles, destroys LH, French fight, endless swearing
Lando being unlucky. finally evolves to look like a Cape Flats hobo, and whines but wins a lot
alpine getting lucky. Al who?
Sauber Scoring points never heard of her, maybe 1 point for trying


any other ideas for the bingo card?
 
Pretty boy George who is trying to be a model has become a twat. George was a cry baby wanker we all know that, it's like a school class tattle tale all the time, does anybody like those people in class? no... you're a driver just get on and drive, stop now trying to screw everybody over to benefit yourself.

And now that someone who he screwed over gets cross with him he now lashes out and says, "how dare Max lash out at me lashing out?!" WTF :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Alonso says you've been a twat, you've been a twat... just walk away
It's hardly as if Verstappen is the bastion of sportsmanship, measured diplomacy or silent stoicism.
 

"It's funny because even before I said a word in the stewards, he was swearing at the stewards," Russell began, referring to Verstappen's behaviour in the stewards' room. "He was so angry, before I'd even spoken. And at the end of the day, there's nothing to lie about.

At that point Wolff, who had been standing beside Russell as he listened to his driver speak, chose to get involved. Asked if he felt Verstappen has been enabled by those around him, the Austrian launched an attack of his own on Red Bull team principal Christian Horner, with whom he has had plenty of run-ins in the past.

"Why does he feel entitled to comment about my driver?" Wolff asked. "How does that come? But you know, thinking about it, I spent 90 seconds to think about it. Yapping little terrier - always something to say."

 
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Things are spicy between these two. I’m sure it’ll blow over after this weekend, unless they take each other out (holding thumbs).
 
George was a cry baby wanker we all know that, it's like a school class tattle tale all the time, does anybody like those people in class? no... you're a driver just get on and drive, stop now trying to screw everybody over to benefit yourself.

I seem to remember a driver doing that to screw Norris in the last race, I think…
 
They’ve both had a fair amount to say really, just depends which media you happen to see.
 
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