Fake SAA pilot flew under radar

[Mila]

I see they stopped saying that he is a fake pilot.

 

[Pitbull]

I see they stopped saying that he is a fake pilot.

From my understanding he has always been a pilot and a good one at that. It's some accreditation* type thingy that he faked. Nothing to do with his flying ability.

*Not sure what these things are referred to in terms of Aeronautics

 

[ForceFate]

From my understanding he has always been a pilot and a good one at that. It's some accreditation* type thingy that he faked. Nothing to do with his flying ability.

*Not sure what these things are referred to in terms of Aeronautics

ATPL certification that he faked, that's why he was reluctant to take up captain's position.

 

[konfab]

From my understanding he has always been a pilot and a good one at that. It's some accreditation* type thingy that he faked. Nothing to do with his flying ability.

Flying via an airline is the safest way to travel in human history. I really am no fan of regulations and bureaucracy, but in this case, it is one of the few system that does what it says it is going to do and make travel safer.

There is quite a difference between a commercial licence and a licence for airlines:

Commercial pilot
Commercial pilots can be paid to fly an aircraft. To obtain a commercial pilot license, one must be at least 18 years old and have a minimum of 250 hours of total flight time (190 hours under the accelerated curriculum defined in Part 141 of the Federal Aviation Regulations). This includes 100 hours in powered aircraft, 50 hours in airplanes, and 100 hours as pilot-in-command (of which 50 hours must be cross-country flight time). In addition, commercial pilots must hold an instrument rating, or otherwise they would be restricted to flying for hire only in daylight, under visual flight rules (VFR), and within 50 miles of the originating airport.[2][10]
Airline transport pilot
Airline transport pilots (ATP) must be at least 23 years old and have a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight time, including 500 hours of cross-country flight time, 100 hours of night flying, and 75 hours in actual or simulated instrument flight conditions. ATPs must also have a commercial certificate and an instrument rating. ATPs may instruct other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft in which they are rated. ATPs must have a current Class I medical exam (which is more stringent than Class II or Class III), which must be renewed every six months or one year (depending on age). Like all pilots, they must re-validate their certificates every 24 months with a flight review.[2][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_licensing_and_certification

There are also more courses they have to do:

The SACAA requires that you pass 6 theoretical subjects (which can be completed as soon as you obtain your CPL):

-Navigation General
-Meteorology
-Aircraft Technical and General
-Flight Planning
-Instruments
-Radio Aids

After passing your last ATPL subject you will have 5 years to complete a minimum of 1500 flying hours, of which:

-500 hours must be pilot-in-command-under-supervision; or
-250 hours must be as pilot-in-command, of which up to 150 hours may be pilot-in-command-under-supervision; and
-200 hours must be cross-country flight time, of which 100 hours may be as co-pilot or pilot-in-command-under-supervision;
-75 hours must be instrument time, of which not more than 30 hours may be acquired in a flight simulation training device (FSTD) approved for the purpose; and
-100 hours shall be night flight time as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot.

http://stelfly.co.za/page/airline-transport-pilots-licence/

 

[John Tempus]

If he started as a fake pilot then after 20 years experience its pretty much a certainty he is a qualified pilot now.

A bit late to call him a fake pilot.

 

[Pitbull]

Flying via an airline is the safest way to travel in human history. I really am no fan of regulations and bureaucracy, but in this case, it is one of the few system that does what it says it is going to do and make travel safer.

There is quite a difference between a commercial licence and a licence for airlines:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_licensing_and_certification

There are also more courses they have to do:

http://stelfly.co.za/page/airline-transport-pilots-licence/

He had a Commercial license, he was even licensed to fly Boeings even before that ATPL certification mentioned by Forcefate was introduced into SAA.
I think the issue was him being awarded captainship instead of just a normal pilot. As ForeFate mentions. I'm fully aware of the difference between a PPL and a CPL.

 

[konfab]

If he started as a fake pilot then after 20 years experience its pretty much a certainty he is a qualified pilot now.

A bit late to call him a fake pilot.

Fake pilot? Probably not.
A fraud who risked the lives of the people he flew?
Yes.

 

[konfab]

He had a Commercial license, he was even licensed to fly Boeings even before that ATPL certification mentioned by Forcefate was introduced into SAA.

Because the risk to human life of a Boing 747 carrying goods is the same as a 747 carrying 600 people.

 

[Pitbull]

Because the risk to human life of a Boing 747 carrying goods is the same as a 747 carrying 600 people.

A person can fly a 747 with 600 people aboard on a CPL.

From my understanding it's a more advanced certification which is needed to become a Captain.

 

[Craig_]

A person can fly a 747 with 600 people aboard on a CPL.

From my understanding it's a more advanced certification which is needed to become a Captain.

I don't really understand the whole setup with the licences, but I wouldn't want to fly with a pilot who would be filling to fake a qualification, no matter how good he seems to be. If he's that dishonest, what else is he willing to to short cuts on?

 

[ArtyLoop]

Because the risk to human life of a Boing 747 carrying goods is the same as a 747 carrying 600 people.

The question is why did he not qualify for the ATPL, or rather why was he reluctant to get it?

 

[Arthur]

ATPL has very different requirements in various geographies. I don't have a clue which type of ATPL is required by SAA for captain, or who the local ATPL certification authority is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_transport_pilot_licence

 

[Pitbull]

I don't really understand the whole setup with the licences, but I wouldn't want to fly with a pilot who would be filling to fake a qualification, no matter how good he seems to be. If he's that dishonest, what else is he willing to to short cuts on?

Not would I, if I had a choice.

This has more to do with regulations in regards to promotion. Similarly a Senior manager with a Bcom, being promoted to an CEO and asked to complete his MBA in a set time frame. After that timeframe the CEO produces a fake MBA certificate and continues with his graft. The guy was flying for SAA, was promoted and given a certain time to get the ATPL. Which he never did but faked it in order to not lose his promotion from what I can see.

 

[N@t3]

Fake Pilot or Fake Taxi?

 

[ForceFate]

Fake Pilot or Fake Taxi?

Fake ATPL

 

[Craig_]

Not would I, if I had a choice.

This has more to do with regulations in regards to promotion. Similarly a Senior manager with a Bcom, being promoted to an CEO and asked to complete his MBA in a set time frame. After that timeframe the CEO produces a fake MBA certificate and continues with his graft. The guy was flying for SAA, was promoted and given a certain time to get the ATPL. Which he never did but faked it in order to not lose his promotion from what I can see.

Reasonable explanation.
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news...-pilot-fraudulent-licence-2.html#post10408653

 

[ponder]

Fake pilot? Probably not.
A fraud who risked the lives of the people he flew?
Yes.

There was no safety risk.

Don't ever climb on a plane then because the pilot in the right seat (like this guy) does not always have an ATPL, even with the very same airline SAA.

 

[ponder]

ATPL has very different requirements in various geographies. I don't have a clue which type of ATPL is required by SAA for captain, or who the local ATPL certification authority is.

The CAA would be the certification authority.

You have six subjects to do & pass. The general consensus is they are learn and forget like most exams, the guys download test sheets and braindumps etc. Honest atpl holders will tell you they would fail the exams if they had to resit them without studying.
Accumulate a minimum of 1500 hrs of flying, out of which 250 must be as pilot in command (PIC), out of which 100 hrs must be night flight time. A minimum of 75 hrs Instrument flying is also required.
You must complete a practical flight test on a multi engine aircraft or a jet aircraft with a Grade I Designated Flight Examiner.

The subjects are,
Aircraft Technical and General
Flight Planning and Performance
Navigation
Instruments
Radio Aids and Communication
Meteorology

 

[ponder]

I don't really understand the whole setup with the licences, but I wouldn't want to fly with a pilot who would be filling to fake a qualification, no matter how good he seems to be. If he's that dishonest, what else is he willing to to short cuts on?

If you said to me here's a young pilot that just got his ATPL with the minimum flight hours and here we have an older CPL pilot with 20yrs experience, thousands of flight hours far exceeding the minimum ATPL practical requirements and he has a clean flight record, which one would you prefer to fly with when a situation develops up there?

I'm gonna pick the guy old guy without the ATPL every single time regardless of whether he cheated on the ATPL part. I have far more trust in experience than a guy with peach fluff that just passed an exam.

 

[ArmatageShanks]

Flying via an airline is the safest way to travel in human history. I really am no fan of regulations and bureaucracy, but in this case, it is one of the few system that does what it says it is going to do and make travel safer.

There is quite a difference between a commercial licence and a licence for airlines:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_licensing_and_certification

There are also more courses they have to do:

http://stelfly.co.za/page/airline-transport-pilots-licence/

That stat makes me very happy for some reason