Farm Attacks

[etienne_marais]

Opinion pieces figures are not accurate.

I also believe they are not accurate, the figures claimed by those who do not stick to the TLU figures are inclusive of small holdings, technically these murders did happen but it is a matter of categorization and strict definition of the population group you are concerned with.

 

[Fudzy]

I also believe they are not accurate, the figures claimed by those who do not stick to the TLU figures are inclusive of small holdings, technically these murders did happen but it is a matter of categorization and strict definition of the population group you are concerned with.

Bit difficult when supposed victims are not in that population group.

 

[etienne_marais]

Bit difficult when supposed victims are not in that population group.

Remarkable deduction. Are you more concerned about exaggerated figures or the actual atrocities ?

 

[Fudzy]

Remarkable deduction. Are you more concerned about exaggerated figures or the actual atrocities ?

A mixture of both really, I think that crime as a whole needs to be focussed on, without creating racial tension which the groups that make exaggerations seem to do on a frequent basis. Take that 'farm attack' photo I questioned you on earlier, where did you get it from? It's not a farm murder, it relates to this story:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...n-1.219714?ot=inmsa.ArticlePrintPageLayout.ot

Found the picture here:

https://relusworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/woman-kills-baby-with-iron-because-god-told-her-to/

 

[etienne_marais]

A mixture of both really, I think that crime as a whole needs to be focussed on, without creating racial tension which the groups that make exaggerations seem to do on a frequent basis. Take that 'farm attack' photo I questioned you on earlier, where did you get it from? It's not a farm murder, it relates to this story:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...n-1.219714?ot=inmsa.ArticlePrintPageLayout.ot

Found the picture here:

https://relusworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/woman-kills-baby-with-iron-because-god-told-her-to/

Agreed, I also think that the media fuels tension when it hammers non-stop on white, especially Afrikaner, atrocities for weeks to months while ignoring frequent hate speech incidents by blacks and tolerating a PRESIDENT who sings songs about killing whites. That picture was indeed from a FB page which deals with South African history and presented it as a farm attack incident, so you have a valid point. I guess filtering the facts from the myths is more a daunting task than I previously imagined.

 

[Fudzy]

Agreed, I also think that the media fuels tension when it hammers non-stop on white, especially Afrikaner, atrocities for weeks to months while ignoring frequent hate speech incidents by blacks and tolerating a PRESIDENT who sings songs about killing whites. That picture was indeed from a FB page which deals with South African history and presented it as a farm attack incident, so you have a valid point. I guess filtering the facts from the myths is more a daunting task than I previously imagined.

What is the Facebook page called? How often do you frequent it and others like it?

 

[scudsucker]

etienne_marais, good to see this thread has gone in exactly the "oh-my-god-white-people-are-victims-of-crime" direction you intended. Well done.

So.. about this:

Or are you only counting attacks on white farmers?

You made the assumption that this thread would not cover attacks of any nature ?

I did indeed. Care to prove me wrong?

So - care to prove me wrong.. after 7 pages of white people complaining that they are "victimised"?

Have you any idea of the murder rate amongst the "non-white" population? It is quite a bit higher than your "black-on-white-violence" agenda would like to admit.

I was pretty sure that this thread would end in a passive-aggressive racist ****fest; and, lo and behold! It has.

 

[etienne_marais]

What is the Facebook page called? How often do you frequent it and others like it?

Ah, the inquisition has started ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/313168935217 , I read it when it pops up in the newsfeed.

 

[Fudzy]

Ah, the inquisition has started ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/313168935217 , I read it when it pops up in the newsfeed.

Well given the amount of link posting you've done in this thread I'd assume it was many.

 

[etienne_marais]

etienne_marais, good to see this thread has gone in exactly the "oh-my-god-white-people-are-victims-of-crime" direction you intended. Well done.

So.. about this:





So - care to prove me wrong.. after 7 pages of white people complaining that they are "victimised"?

What arrogance, the most brutal of murders and you remain concerned about the colour of the victims.

 

[scudsucker]

Oh dear.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

So you are NOT concerned with the race of brutal crime victims?

Lets talk about murder victims - on farms - who are NOT white.

No?

I thought not. It does not fit your agenda.

 

[etienne_marais]

Oh dear.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

So you are NOT concerned with the race of brutal crime victims?

Lets talk about murder victims - on farms - who are NOT white.

No?

I thought not. It does not fit your agenda.

Why don't you help me out there and post some relevant articles instead of attacking me with your endless preconceptions ?

 

[scudsucker]

Ah... no thanks.

I'll wait for you to prove my assumption wrong. So far, so bad

 

[etienne_marais]

Ah... no thanks.

I'll wait for you to prove my assumption wrong. So far, so bad

Your problem.

 

[scudsucker]

Your problem.

No.

No, not at all. This whole thread is about YOUR problem.

And that problem is quite clearly a pro-white agenda that attempts to paint white people as the major victims of cime in this country, when in fact black-on-white crime is negligible compared to black-on-black.

Yes, its pretty ****ty that there was an unusual amount of violence in the farm murders you quoted - but please remember, there is an unusual amount on inequality between the farmer and his/her killer.

These crimes are fueled by racism, sure. But they are more fueled by inequality, and the resentment that engenders.

You are falling into the trap of thinking race, rather than economics, is the primary trigger. I do not doubt racism is a trigger. (this does not excuse your apparent racism)

 

[etienne_marais]

No.

No, not at all. This whole thread is about YOUR problem.

And that problem is quite clearly a pro-white agenda that attempts to paint white people as the major victims of cime in this country, when in fact black-on-white crime is negligible compared to black-on-black.

Yes, its pretty ****ty that there was an unusual amount of violence in the farm murders you quoted - but please remember, there is an unusual amount on inequality between the farmer and his/her killer.

These crimes are fueled by racism, sure. But they are more fueled by inequality, and the resentment that engenders.

You are falling into the trap of thinking race, rather than economics, is the primary trigger. I do not doubt racism is a trigger. (this does not excuse your apparent racism)

How nice of you to know me inside-out, so much for post-stereotypical reasoning.

 

[Replay]

Oh dear.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

So you are NOT concerned with the race of brutal crime victims?

Lets talk about murder victims - on farms - who are NOT white.

No?

I thought not. It does not fit your agenda.

This is not so much about number comparisons.....it has more to do with the increase in farm owner attacks/murders. Let's look at some facts that we all should be aware of.

Who's doing the killing of these white farmers? Blacks
How are they killing them? It normally involves torture. Why torture? Cause they also hate the racist white pigs who owns farms.

Personally I doubt there's any agenda behind it....it has just become a favorable option for thieves who happen to be murderers as well.

Why is this?
Well first off, the target is normally remote so easier to handle and not be caught out by neighbours
Secondly....good return on weapons, cash maybe, bakkies and luxury vehicles, jewelry, cell phones etc etc.

Looking from the outside in as a third party SA citizen, you ask me who I would choose to be murdered.....the shack dweller or the commercial farmer? I'd go for the shack dweller. Note I have not mentioned the race of either. Either could be black or white.

The shack dweller doesn't benefit me, the commercial farmer does....he is extremely valuable and important to the wellbeing of the country

 

[etienne_marais]

To be clear, if commercial farmers are taken as the subject, the per-capita murder rate is at least three times higher than nation-wide murders, this fact and food security are my concern and reason for focusing on farm murders rather than general crime. Black and white farmers and farmworkers are victims. The majority of victims happen to be white and may or may not be an accurate reflection of the total number of white and black farmers respectively.

 

[Fudzy]

This is not so much about number comparisons.....it has more to do with the increase in farm owner attacks/murders. Let's look at some facts that we all should be aware of.

Who's doing the killing of these white farmers? Blacks
How are they killing them? It normally involves torture. Why torture? Cause they also hate the racist white pigs who owns farms.

Personally I doubt there's any agenda behind it....it has just become a favorable option for thieves who happen to be murderers as well.

Why is this?
Well first off, the target is normally remote so easier to handle and not be caught out by neighbours
Secondly....good return on weapons, cash maybe, bakkies and luxury vehicles, jewelry, cell phones etc etc.

Looking from the outside in as a third party SA citizen, you ask me who I would choose to be murdered.....the shack dweller or the commercial farmer? I'd go for the shack dweller. Note I have not mentioned the race of either. Either could be black or white.

The shack dweller doesn't benefit me, the commercial farmer does....he is extremely valuable and important to the wellbeing of the country

Torture is used in robberies to extract safe keys and information on more loot. The shack dweller has a lower chance of being killed during a robbery because they don't have anything to steal but they get murdered more often anyway if the stats are to be considered.

 

[Fudzy]

To be clear, if commercial farmers are taken as the subject, the per-capita murder rate is at least three times higher than nation-wide murders, this fact and food security are my concern and reason for focusing on farm murders rather than general crime. Black and white farmers and farmworkers are victims. The majority of victims happen to be white and may or may not be an accurate reflection of the total number of white and black farmers respectively.

What stats do you have on commercial farmers?

How many are white owned?

How many are black owned?

How many of them are very isolated?

How many of them have firearms and cash on hand?

How much violence and crime is there in surrounding areas?