Farm Attacks

crocopede said:
Every single one of us who oppose the murders, this terror, this cancer that is spreading across the country... every single one of us are guilty of nonfeasance. Perhaps not to the same extent as Cele and the other corrupt fcks. But as citizens we to are guilty.

This goverment will not protect its people. Therefor that responsability should fall on the citizens to not only protect society, but rid themselves of those who do not contribute to it.
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How would you defend farmers?
 
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Can resume on topic here
 
STS said:
How would you defend farmers?
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Years ago there were the commandos made up of volunteers... gov did not like that and abolished the commandos and they were warned back then that attacks would increase.
 
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ponder said:
Years ago there were the commandos made up of volunteers... gov did not like that and abolished the commandos and they were warned back then that attacks would increase.
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Commandos are the only solution. That, and work the fckers who commit the attacks into the soil.
 
crocopede said:
Commandos are the only solution. That, and work the fckers who commit the attacks into the soil.
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Just saying "commandos" makes it political. People need to stop this nonsense.

You can form a private security company and run it with volunteers just like commandos. Just stop calling it commandos.
 
rietrot said:
Just saying "commandos" makes it political. People need to stop this nonsense.

You can form a private security company and run it with volunteers just like commandos. Just stop calling it commandos.
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Commandos worked with SAPS & SANDF oversight, weapons were SANDF issued & there was compulsory training. Rather that than some hillbilies running around.

Commando System (South Africa) - Wikipedia
 
rietrot said:
Basic home security.
Community watch that patrols, stop and search random people wonder around.
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Dunno. First of all, a farmer has work to do on a farm. The hours can be long. Somewhere you have to fit in sleep. Your average home security system does not translate to a town one. You have outbuildings, perhaps no power in some of them. You may have staff living on the farm. Either you can go play cops because the cops don't do what they do or be a farmer.

Many of the proposed solutions rely in internet connectivity. It works fine in towns, out in the sticks not so much. Yet this is the snake oil that some security companies sell. It's a different environment.

Many solutions tend to be pricey or requires ongoing maintenance. Farming is not exactly the most profitable profitable career choice.

rietrot said:
Just saying "commandos" makes it political. People need to stop this nonsense.

You can form a private security company and run it with volunteers just like commandos. Just stop calling it commandos.
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Agreed.

Now this is where politicizing real problems causes problems. Stop somebody asking them what they're doing. Next day Twitter ablaze with aholes twisting it. Why, you even get people "looking for a job", getting over a fence and peeking though windows when nobody responds to the bell - and it gets accepted in our justice system (true story - it was ~9pm in the evening). Then we have the exaple of politicizing where a certain security company in CT was involved. Politics causes real world problems.
 
rietrot said:
Just saying "commandos" makes it political. People need to stop this nonsense.

You can form a private security company and run it with volunteers just like commandos. Just stop calling it commandos.
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It's probably too expensive to have the level of coverage the commandos could achieve. Even with volunteers (and they are already doing this), you just don't have the numbers of commandos because volunteers are farmers, workers and families of which there aren't many due to sparse populations in farms.
 
rietrot said:
Just saying "commandos" makes it political. People need to stop this nonsense.

You can form a private security company and run it with volunteers just like commandos. Just stop calling it commandos.
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Kommando isn't political, and has nothing to do with the Nats, either. It predates the current government, and the previous one (came about in the Boer War, and the term was our gift to the world), and was totally effective at protecting the farmers. Once the ANC decided to ban them, the farm murders skyrocketed. Hardly a coincidence.
 
The Voice said:
Kommando isn't political, and has nothing to do with the Nats, either. It predates the current government, and the previous one (came about in the Boer War, and the term was our gift to the world), and was totally effective at protecting the farmers. Once the ANC decided to ban them, the farm murders skyrocketed. Hardly a coincidence.
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It is also worth noting that the commandoes was seen as racist however from my memory the bulk of the commandoes were actually coloured and black africans. I think it may have been politically motivated that their loyalties lay more to the farmers than the justice system, and that there were a lot of abuse of power cases reported.

That said, I don't know what happened to the bulk of the commandoes and where they went, they all had offers in some form or another.
 
The Voice said:
Kommando isn't political, and has nothing to do with the Nats, either. It predates the current government, and the previous one (came about in the Boer War, and the term was our gift to the world), and was totally effective at protecting the farmers. Once the ANC decided to ban them, the farm murders skyrocketed. Hardly a coincidence.
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They were disbanded in 2003 but:
Police statistics have indicated an increase in the number and violence of farm attacks between 1997 and 2000. In 1997, the total number of incidents was 433. By 1998 the number had increased to 769. It jumped to 813 in 1999 and to 906 in 2000.
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In 1997, there were 88 murders connected to farms attacks. By 1998 the figure had jumped to 142 and was at 144 in 1999. It stabilised at 144 murders in 2000. The figures for 2001 were said to show a small increase over the 2000 statistics.
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STS said:
It is also worth noting that the commandoes was seen as racist however from my memory the bulk of the commandoes were actually coloured and black africans. I think it may have been politically motivated that their loyalties lay more to the farmers than the justice system, and that there were a lot of abuse of power cases reported.

That said, I don't know what happened to the bulk of the commandoes and where they went, they all had offers in some form or another.
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I think it was mainly ANC paranoia.
Controversy over rural security has deepened in South Africa with a government decision to phase out a paramilitary force that was part of the apartheid state’s security apparatus.
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The allegations of rights abuses have played a significant role in the government’s decision to phase out the part-time force.

Responding to calls for the commando units to be retained, Minister of Defence Mosioua Lekota was quoted as saying: “A structure like that, which is not under proper training, proper regulation, and doesn’t even have arresting powers — they are just citizens armed with weapons — that [think] they can do anything they choose to do, cannot be allowed in a constitutional order.”
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