Fibre is killing ADSL

[Gordon_R]

Ok, so what is the 100% operating service life of these fibres(quality). If fibres get old and brittle, nightmares coming.

I'm not a fibre expert, but I see two reasons why your question is redundant:
Glass getting old?? Never heard of that.
The main cost with fibre is digging conduits. Breaks can be repaired, and new fibre blown through existing conduits.

A more technical answer. A looong time: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-lifespan-of-fiber-optic-cable-when-laid-in-the-ground

 

[Mythical-]

Which means your fibre deal is twice as expensive as 4G if you use 100GB pm as I typically do

I'm in the the same boat. Vumatel is rolling out in our area but I haven't been able to find a deal that makes it worthwhile to switch from Rain's 110gb for 550. They're all more expensive and include initiation or other fees. I'll switch as soon as something that meets my requirements comes along though.

 

[Johnatan56]

I'm not a fibre expert, but I see two reasons why your question is redundant:
Glass getting old?? Never heard of that.
The main cost with fibre is digging conduits. Breaks can be repaired, and new fibre blown through existing conduits.

A more technical answer. A looong time: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-lifespan-of-fiber-optic-cable-when-laid-in-the-ground

I think it was something like 15-25 years for aerial, and 50 years for trenched or something along those lines. That's multimode for most short distance stuff.
Single mode I expect way longer, e.g. undersea should probably be a hundred years easy.

Tax was 15 years I think, 25 years is planned for most systems.


EDIT:

And what they found is very reassuring. Studies have shown that properly installed fiber will only have a chance of failure at a rate of 1 in 100,000 per kilometer per year between years 20 and 40 after installation. Statistics are funny things and that kind of rate is not easy to apply for a layman, but it ought to be obvious that this means very few failures for a normal fiber installation during that time frame. This means that fiber ought to easily last forty years and far beyond. Nobody will yet say how much further beyond, but I talked once to a few engineers from Corning and they told me that as long as it’s treated well that their best guess is at least 75 years. We’ll have to wait around to see if that is true.


The same scientists have studied real life applications of fiber and have calculated that the chances of buried fiber being cut is 1 in 1,000 per kilometer per year. This means it is 100 times more likely for a fiber to be cut than to have it fail from inherent flaws. Again, statistics like this aren’t straight-line ratios, but it you operate a 500-mile fiber network, this tells you that you can expect a fiber cut every year or so.
https://potsandpansbyccg.com/2015/11/23/how-long-does-fiber-last/

And the above article also states fiber today has a way better manufacturing process compared to the 1980's, and most of those haven't reach EoL yet (except cases where 10Gbps was needed).

 

[cavedog]

My 200Mbps Openserve line has not slowed or been down once since installed in January this year.

Fast and very reliable. This bundled with a google enterprise account for unlimited cloud storage is a match made in heaven....

Upload @ 12MB/s and download @ 24MB/s

 

[Dan C]

My 200Mbps Openserve line has not slowed or been down once since installed in January this year.

Fast and very reliable. This bundled with a google enterprise account for unlimited cloud storage is a match made in heaven....

Upload @ 12MB/s and download @ 24MB/s

Go and brag elsewhere

 

[Adenoid Hynkel]

My ADSL at home has been stable. Fastest I can get is 10 though. I also use rain at night for steam or larger downloads during the day. Rain is however a horrible experience in my area. Tower seems heavily congested at times.

But I'm counting the days. Frogfoot is busy in our area and I pre-ordered 500/500.

 

[deweyzeph]

If you live in the South Peninsula in Cape Town (anywhere south of Muizenberg and Hout Bay) then you are still out of luck as far as fibre is concerned. There are one or 2 newly built estates in Noordhoek and Sun Valley that have Openserve Fibre, and Frogfoot is apparently planning on installing all the way down to Simons Town, but for the time being ADSL/VDSL and limited LTE are your only options. There are a few WISPS covering some areas but they've received mixed reviews. For the most part the South Peninsula has been completely ignored so far.

 

[Cius]

If Rain already compete's so successfully against fiber I wander what will happen to fiber after spectrum is potentially opened up to the cell companies. Theoretically it would make wireless data a lot cheaper than fiber. Of course knowing the cell companies they are fairly likely to just keep prices high an pocket the difference.

 

[Johnatan56]

If you live in the South Peninsula in Cape Town (anywhere south of Muizenberg and Hout Bay) then you are still out of luck as far as fibre is concerned. There are one or 2 newly built estates in Noordhoek and Sun Valley that have Openserve Fibre, and Frogfoot is apparently planning on installing all the way down to Simons Town, but for the time being ADSL/VDSL and limited LTE are your only options. There are a few WISPS covering some areas but they've received mixed reviews. For the most part the South Peninsula has been completely ignored so far.

Over the mountain Frogfoot finished off Tokai, think you will probably have fiber within the next two years.

 

[Johnatan56]

If Rain already compete's so successfully against fiber I wander what will happen to fiber after spectrum is potentially opened up to the cell companies. Theoretically it would make wireless data a lot cheaper than fiber. Of course knowing the cell companies they are fairly likely to just keep prices high an pocket the difference.

Probably not, depends on your usage, plus the people around you.

In Europe it's working quite well though, have a friend who has only an LTE A option, he is doing 750 GB a month about with 75/25Mbps uncapped, think he said he was paying the equivalent of R1200 for it. This is in Austria, fibe roll out is terrible there, they have an equivalent to old Telkom.