Final E-toll prices published

I am really wondering - if you are an Alternate user (i.e. not registered and no eTag) and you drive on the highway, do they post you an invoice?

If this is the case, then obviously it will be after 7 days (as the post office is not that fast) but one might be able to get the 30 days payment.

If this is not the case, then the expectation is that you go to an eToll centre and pay it - right? Which is fine, but at that point my guess would be that you would be "silently registered" in any case - thus making the system more foolproof to read number plates (i.e. compares to a smaller, known list of number plates).

A lot of people I knew planned on paying the eTolls if they got invoices (but relied on the heavy burden to recognize so many number plates correctly and eNatis' useless system to actually get the invoice). But if this was never the case that SANRAL will send you an invoice, then I find it a lot scarier...

I don't want to be prosecuted and I don't want to live in fear that I might have been picked up and thus not paying my invoice. But I also want to help "the protest"...

Luckily I'm not going on holiday in Dec and will just avoid the highway to see how everything plays out... :)
 
Just got myself a foreign registered car. Will be using it for all my freeway travels.

Suck that, SANRAL.
 
Sinbad said:
Illegal to have anything that resembles a numberplate that carries a false registration number on the car...

NRTA section 35
No person shall operate on a public road a motor vehicle –
a) on which a licence number or anything purporting to be a licence number, which is not applicable to such vehicle, is displayed;
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Have you got the correct section number? According to http://www.acts.co.za/national-road-traffic-act-1996/ section 35 pertains to Fitness of drivers.

In any event (and IANAL), I think there may be a valid argument that the protest sticker does not purport to actually be a license number (it doesn't have the same number of letters, isn't affixed where the license number is expected to be, isn't pretending to be a valid number, is easily an unambiguously recognizable as not being a license plate number, etc).
 
Heavy\large vehicle rates going to have a huge impact on cost of goods we buy sooner or later.
 
Odracir said:
What will not be funny is when you don't pay or register, you find yourself having difficulty buying a new car, house or expensive item on HP.
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Pretty sure you need to be a FSB registered credit provider to touch somebody's credit rating for non-payment. SANRAL is not a credit provider. Which you can argue is an issue for giving you 7days credit and incurring non-payment fees.

Also as a side note I watched SABC news tonight, and according to them if you don't have an etag you qualify for the VLN rate (no mention of any registering)... Which is BS since there is an alternative rate which Pravda...sorry...SABC News forgot to mention.

What does it take to declare your vehicle a taxi? A bit of paperwork on your license?
 
cybershark said:
Heavy\large vehicle rates going to have a huge impact on cost of goods we buy sooner or later.
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I believe this is the angle that the opposition parties should shout from the rooftops. I believe currently there might be a view from the lower income groups that uses public transport vehicles (which are e-Tolls exempt) that it is better off car owners that only get screwed. The new DA billboards should advertise how much a basket of food's prices are going to increase.
 
munky82 said:
I believe this is the angle that the opposition parties should shout from the rooftops. I believe currently there might be a view from the lower income groups that uses public transport vehicles (which are e-Tolls exempt) that it is better off car owners that only get screwed. The new DA billboards should advertise how much a basket of food's prices are going to increase.
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If they bringing it in now/dec, byt march/april time there will be an increase underway which will be a big shocker poster for elections
 
From the DailyMaverick, an interesting take on the whole e-toll thing:
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...s-happy-christmas-now-shut-up-and-pay-losers/

In the comments, this piece makes for scary reading (not sure how accurate/true it is):
Ivan Moor,
I have done some sums on how tolls will affect the fiscus, and they are scary. So scary I ask clever D.M. brains for criticism of them. Please do. I need reassurance.

Firstly one has to lump Pravin in with SANRAL as one entity because they have one common shareholder, us the taxpayers.

O.K., let us take a 1000 typical roadusers, each using R100 roadtime and see how their R100,000 nominal payments actually turn into a LOSS for Pravin, not a profit. A LOSS to us shareholders.

1000 vehicles split into 250 government vehicles, 250 trucks and delivery vehicles, 250 other commercial vehicles (plumbers, accountants, escorts and reps) another 100 taxies and the other 150 just us erks going to our jobs. Actually that is a fair split. Us working erks are on the road during peaks, the others all through the rest of the day .

Now the numbers.
First. 250 government vehicles, registered and paying. There payments go into one government pocket out of another so it is a zero sum game, right? Not actually, R45 goes to Kapsch, not the government so Pravin has lost 250 times R45 or R11,500 so far. It gets worse, believe me.

Second, the delivery trucks plumbers and reps. 500 of them. Does Pravin score here? Well, on VAT? No, because they pay VAT but claim it back so Pravin gets nothing. Aftter VAT they pay R86 which, being a business expense reduces their income tax liability. They pay 35% of R86 less income tax, or R30 less tax by 500 or R15,000 less income tax. This pushes Pravin's loss up from R11,500 to R26,500.

Of course Pravin does get the R86 (after VAT) less the Kapsch share of R45 paid by these worthies, so he gets 500 times (R86 -R45) or R20,500. Pravin's loss now only R26,500 less R20,500 or R6000

Third, the taxies, 100 of the filth. They pay nothing but Kapsch get R45 each for counting them.R45 by 100 gives Pravin a further expense (loss) of R4,500 to bring his accumulated loss to R10,500,

Finally there are us turkeys who cannot claim against tax, the preyed on specie. 150 of us. Split 33% registered, 67% boycotters. Well, the 50 registered will pay R100 each or R5000 in total, the rest nothing. But Kapsch want their R45 for all 150 so will get 150xR45 0r R6,750 which wipes out Pravin's R5000 profit from this group and leaves him short another R1,750 to an accumulated total R12,250. R12,250 NETT LOSS to the fiscus whereas Kapsch have scored R45,000.
This on just 1000 vehicles. 600,000 are expected to use the roads every day.
Please, say it aint so!
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Do Kapsch really get paid per vehicle counted/processed?
 
I am going to laugh my ass off when the first taxi owner gets an invoice as an "alternate" user, because his taxi doesn't have an eTag that is registered to a public transport vehicle. Pretty sure they don't know that this is a requirement...
That is going to be the trigger for the burning of the gantries.
 
Zerc said:
So to qualify for a time of day discount as an alternate user I need to pay within 7 days of going through a gantry. How are they going to get an invoice to me within 7 days? And if I go under a gantry every day are they going to send me a daily invoice?
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I would love to see how they are going to administer this.

This is not fair, those are exorbitant prices per gantry for those of us not getting e-tags. They claim they are not forcing us to get e-tags, but the user who gets an e-tag and allows SANRAL to debit their accounts will receive the best discounted benefit.
 
Selling our infrastructure, built on the sweat of the average South African, to some corporate in Europe...
How was something like this even passed?
Well the fact that the average politician is a greedy ignorant pig, feeding at the trough, is answer enough.

We should hang all the politicians and let the accountants run this country!
 
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