Firearm licence

AntennaMan said:
I wonder how long it is going to take for news of this to filter down to the lower ranks of SAPS. I don't want to get in a roadside argument with a SAPS peon if my license card shows it has expired, trying to explain this judgement to him/her.
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Indeed. That is a most serious concern. But if such an encounter should come to pass it is recommended
Just to cooperate with SAPS even if it means surrendering your weapon.
Associations like SAGA have guidelines about what to do in such circumstances.
But for the moment The SAPS have undertaken not to do any more raids on expired licensees
The previous raids were in the kraaifontein area.
 
AntennaMan said:
No, it states that only you must have access to the firearm when stored in an approved safe. At the casino, there is a single key for each of their gun safes. I have used the ones at Monte Casino on many occasions.

And yes, cars can be stolen, broken into and towed away. But if you have a car safe installed that complies with the necessary SABS standard, and the installer provides you with a certificate, then you are good to go. It helps if you take it to your DFO for him to "inspect", but by law you don't have to. Yes, your firearm will be stolen with the vehicle, but at least SAPS can't accuse you of negligence as you complied with the letter of the law. I know that Nissi Safes manufactures and install SABS approved car safes, but I'm sure there are others as well.
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I respectfully digress entirely. We're reading from different competency manuals it seems.
 
Hosehead said:
Indeed. That is a most serious concern. But if such an encounter should come to pass it is recommended
Just to cooperate with SAPS even if it means surrendering your weapon.
Associations like SAGA have guidelines about what to do in such circumstances.
But for the moment The SAPS have undertaken not to do any more raids on expired licensees
The previous raids were in the kraaifontein area.
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I was being a bit flippant. Getting into an argument at the side of the road with SAPS/Metro is stupid. And I know about the Kraaifontein raids. However that was done in conjunction with DFO's, so you might have a chance of talking yourself out of that one. I was thinking more int he line of road blocks. We have quite a few of them here in Joburg and I'm guessing the average SAPS/metro member knows even less about the FCA than most DFO's, and that's saying something.
Both GOSA and NHSA also recommend complying with SAPS. Even if they "illegally" confiscate your firearm. Rather let them take it, contact your association and their lawyers and lay a charge of theft against SAPS.
 
Hosehead said:
I respectfully digress entirely. We're reading from different competency manuals it seems.
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The law states that you need to secure your firearm in a SABS approved safe when not under your direct control. To this end, if you have a SABS approved safe installed in your car, it complies with the law. Yes, your car can be stolen, safe, gun and all. This is no different then if someone was to break in to your house, break your wall mounted safe out of the wall (with your gun) and carry it away. In both instances you were complying with the law, and in both cases you were the victim of a crime. That being said, personally I will probably never fit or rely on a car safe. The risk is just too high.

And lastly, you are quoting a lot from the competency manual. So it sounds like you are either now busy with your competency or you have just finished it. So remember, the competency manual is a basic summary of the FCA and does not delve into the intricacies of the Act itself. That would be impossible as it takes even seasoned legal experts quite a while to do that. So when in doubt (when you hear something or read something), and you can't find an answer in the competency manual, then read the Act. It is freely available on the SAPS website. You can also have a look over at Gunsite. I believe there are a couple of guys/girls that successfully had their DFO's sign off on car safe installations and who frequently visit casinos as well. Both of these examples have been discussed in detail.
 
Pitbull said:
Fark me, on a renewal?
WTF?!?! First applications I can understand but a renewal taking this long? What happens to the firearm if you pass the renewal date?
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I am waiting almost a year for the renewal
 
AntennaMan said:
The law states that you need to secure your firearm in a SABS approved safe when not under your direct control. To this end, if you have a SABS approved safe installed in your car, it complies with the law. Yes, your car can be stolen, safe, gun and all. This is no different then if someone was to break in to your house, break your wall mounted safe out of the wall (with your gun) and carry it away. In both instances you were complying with the law, and in both cases you were the victim of a crime. That being said, personally I will probably never fit or rely on a car safe. The risk is just too high.i

And lastly, you are quoting a lot from the competency manual. So it sounds like you are either now busy with your competency or you have just finished it. So remember, the competency manual is a basic summary of the FCA and does not delve into the intricacies of the Act itself. That would be impossible as it takes even seasoned legal experts quite a while to do that. So when in doubt (when you hear something or read something), and you can't find an answer in the competency manual, then read the Act. It is freely available on the SAPS website. You can also have a look over at Gunsite. I believe there are a couple of guys/girls that successfully had their DFO's sign off on car safe installations and who frequently visit casinos as well. Both of these examples have been discussed in detail.
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Well. Here's one aspect of safekeeping and it quotes the FCA directly so I should have perhaps qualified my previous answers with " DFO consent" Look https://www.northwestnewspapers.co.za/herald/home/series/firearms/359-may-i-store-your-firearm-2

And no I was licensed and trained long before the powers that be decided on this competency and renewal . In fact my local gun shop folded when most of them folded way back when...
I can also tell you I have been in random roadblocks in the far corners of our country and have produced my license on demand to all kinds of people from provincial traffic safety officers to metro to God knows who and not a raised eyebrow. They ask to see the serial number to see it matches what's on the license. They may or may not make a note. But in most cases the forwarn " you better have a license for xxxx" before inspection of serial numbers.
 
Hosehead said:
Well. Here's one aspect of safekeeping and it quotes the FCA directly so I should have perhaps qualified my previous answers with " DFO consent" Look https://www.northwestnewspapers.co.za/herald/home/series/firearms/359-may-i-store-your-firearm-2

And no I was licensed and trained long before the powers that be decided on this competency and renewal . In fact my local gun shop folded when most of them folded way back when...
I can also tell you I have been in random roadblocks in the far corners of our country and have produced my license on demand to all kinds of people from provincial traffic safety officers to metro to God knows who and not a raised eyebrow. They ask to see the serial number to see it matches what's on the license. They may or may not make a note. But in most cases the forwarn " you better have a license for xxxx" before inspection of serial numbers.
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I'm yet to be (and hopefully never will be) pulled over in a roadblock and asked if I have a firearm.
I've read on gunsite that they suggest that if they ask you if you have a firearm, answer yes and that you have it on you. You should then produce your license, then inform the office that you will make the weapon safe and then they can check the license vs serial nr
 
marlin178 said:
I'm yet to be (and hopefully never will be) pulled over in a roadblock and asked if I have a firearm.
I've read on gunsite that they suggest that if they ask you if you have a firearm, answer yes and that you have it on you. You should then produce your license, then inform the office that you will make the weapon safe and then they can check the license vs serial nr
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Quite correct
You must use your discretion though as sometimes the officer can't always read the serial number when you hold it so S/he may possibly touch it to roll it over to see the serial as he has your card in one hand and a note pad in the other in my experience.
But absolute politeness and common courtesy is mandatory no matter what.
 
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This still doesn't help with motivation. Request a friend, family member or work colleague. Its irresponsible to vouch for someone you dont know at all...
 
Ask your neighbors to help you , also try your church
 
Hi Folks I will be posting GG52388 dated 28 March shortly.

It contains proposed regulations for the security industry , which , if implemented are going to be problematic and will eventually be pushed onto the general public carrying of firearms. Martin Hood.



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