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Five people have been arrested for conspiring to commit a crime during an illegal march in Cape Town, Western Cape police said on Monday.

"According to the reports, a group of about 200 people had gathered at Sea Point and then proceeded to the Pavilion Mall carrying placards and loud-hailers," Colonel Tembinkosi Kinana said in a statement.

"They were warned by the police, as their gathering was illegal. It is believed that they moved to the Grand Parade where they continued with their picketing and chants."

The participants in the march on Sunday, in support of Palestine, were then twice warned by police as they proceeded towards Buitenkant Street, near where a pro-Israel rally was being held.

"At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.

"About five people, four men aged between 30 and 43, and a 36-year-old woman were arrested for conspiring to commit a crime."

The five were expected to appear in the Cape Town Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Further details were expected to emerge during their court appearance.


Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje
Date : 11 Aug 2014 09:49
 
Garyvdh said:
Five people have been arrested for conspiring to commit a crime during an illegal march in Cape Town, Western Cape police said on Monday.

"According to the reports, a group of about 200 people had gathered at Sea Point and then proceeded to the Pavilion Mall carrying placards and loud-hailers," Colonel Tembinkosi Kinana said in a statement.

"They were warned by the police, as their gathering was illegal. It is believed that they moved to the Grand Parade where they continued with their picketing and chants."

The participants in the march on Sunday, in support of Palestine, were then twice warned by police as they proceeded towards Buitenkant Street, near where a pro-Israel rally was being held.

"At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.

"About five people, four men aged between 30 and 43, and a 36-year-old woman were arrested for conspiring to commit a crime."

The five were expected to appear in the Cape Town Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Further details were expected to emerge during their court appearance.


Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje
Date : 11 Aug 2014 09:49
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good, excellent news
i got caught up in the traffic on beach rd & saw an ambulance struggling to get through thanks to those knuts blocking the road.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ews-thread?p=13263116&viewfull=1#post13263116

no regard for the law whatsoever.
beach road serves as access for all emergency vehicles servicing sea point right through to hout bay, but these morons dont give a toss.
 
Good. Illegal activity should not be tolerated. (Unless, of course, it is unfairly illegal, e.g. e-tolls. ;))

On the note of illegal protests, I wonder how many EFF protesters were arrested during this fiasco.

Or how many people were arrested during the recent countless (often illegal) protests we have had in SA, often including robbing vendors.

Or do the police only start arresting people when certain groups are involved?
 
Was in Sea Point at the time, managed to snag a picture from the car. Police were in full riot gear :D

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Garyvdh said:
Five people have been arrested for conspiring to commit a crime during an illegal march in Cape Town, Western Cape police said on Monday.

"According to the reports, a group of about 200 people had gathered at Sea Point and then proceeded to the Pavilion Mall carrying placards and loud-hailers," Colonel Tembinkosi Kinana said in a statement.

"They were warned by the police, as their gathering was illegal. It is believed that they moved to the Grand Parade where they continued with their picketing and chants."

The participants in the march on Sunday, in support of Palestine, were then twice warned by police as they proceeded towards Buitenkant Street, near where a pro-Israel rally was being held.

"At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.

"About five people, four men aged between 30 and 43, and a 36-year-old woman were arrested for conspiring to commit a crime."

The five were expected to appear in the Cape Town Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Further details were expected to emerge during their court appearance.


Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje
Date : 11 Aug 2014 09:49
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Wow, this smacks of the Old government tbh :o

Illegal gatherings, wow haven't heard that in about 24 years
 
Sodan said:
Good. Illegal activity should not be tolerated. (Unless, of course, it is unfairly illegal, e.g. e-tolls. ;))

On the note of illegal protests, I wonder how many EFF protesters were arrested during this fiasco.

Or how many people were arrested during the recent countless (often illegal) protests we have had in SA, often including robbing vendors.

Or do the police only start arresting people when certain groups are involved?
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i very much doubt a "certain group" was targeted.
in this instance an arterial road was obstructed by an impromptu protest.
beach road is used by all emergency services ( as gdiza - an ems, provider can attest to).
the fire dept is also 50m from where the protest began, they, given the size of fire trucks, have little option but to use beach road.

the protesters in this instance, could easily have used the very wide promenade pedestrian walkway (or even the massive lawned area) but instead, chose to obstruct the road.

one of the reasons protests & mass gatherings require authorization, is to allows emergency services to make contingency plans in the event of an emergency & plan alternate routes for emergency vehicles.
 
Compton_effect said:
A few years a go during a pro-Palestine rally there were two kids walking around dressed as suicide bombers with fake bomb vests.
I pity the poor ****s if they try that now.
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Bloody hell that's scary. One would think being geographically far removed from the invasion the parents of those kids would not be psychologically scarred enough to support suicide bombings by having their kids dress up as one! Don't these parents realize what they're doing to their kids? Dafuq man, the mind boggles.
 
grantza said:
i very much doubt a "certain group" was targeted.
in this instance an arterial road was obstructed by an impromptu protest.
beach road is used by all emergency services ( as gdiza - an ems, provider can attest to).
the fire dept is also 50m from where the protest began, they, given the size of fire trucks, have little option but to use beach road.

the protesters in this instance, could easily have used the very wide promenade pedestrian walkway (or even the massive lawned area) but instead, chose to obstruct the road.

one of the reasons protests & mass gatherings require authorization, is to allows emergency services to make contingency plans in the event of an emergency & plan alternate routes for emergency vehicles.
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Aah, good point. I understand. So the determining factor in arresting people committing illegal activities, or (in this case) conspiracy to commit illegal activities is dependent on whether or not emergency vehicles may be obstructed?

While a valid consideration, it doesn't seem to relevant to determining whether or not someone should be arrested.
Go ahead, march illegally, steal from vendors, break into the legislature building, push through a police human chain, it's all good.
But just don't dare be in a position where you might obstruct emergency vehicles. Then you have crossed the line.
 
Sodan said:
Aah, good point. I understand. So the determining factor in arresting people committing illegal activities, or (in this case) conspiracy to commit illegal activities is dependent on whether or not emergency vehicles may be obstructed?

While a valid consideration, it doesn't seem to relevant to determining whether or not someone should be arrested.
Go ahead, march illegally, steal from vendors, break into the legislature building, push through a police human chain, it's all good.
But just don't dare be in a position where you might obstruct emergency vehicles. Then you have crossed the line.
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they were arrested for:
"" "At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.""

disobeying a lawful command is a flimsy charge at best, but unfortunately remains valid and is abused saps (by sea point saps in particular).

obstructing emergency vehicles is about as serious as it gets.
 
grantza said:
they were arrested for:
"" "At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.""

disobeying a lawful command is a flimsy charge at best, but unfortunately remains valid and is abused saps (by sea point saps in particular).
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Yes, it is interesting that in some cases people are arrested for it, but it's okay break through a police human chain, storm the legislature, loot vendors, and cause general havoc.

obstructing emergency vehicles is about as serious as it gets.
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Agreed. Also, as per your quote, they were not arrested for obstructing emergency vehicles. So while you statement is true, it's not relevant.
 
Sodan said:
Yes, it is interesting that in some cases people are arrested for it, but it's okay break through a police human chain, storm the legislature, loot vendors, and cause general havoc.



Agreed. Also, as per your quote, they were not arrested for obstructing emergency vehicles. So while you statement is true, it's not relevant.
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there was a hare krishna procession on beach rd recently, permission applied for and granted - no problem.
eid, every year, permission to use the area is never a problem, traffic police & others make arrangements - no problem.

why did they need to block the road when there is a huge pedestrian promenade right alongside ?

why could they not just apply for permission like other law abiding citizens - what makes them think they are so special that they are above the law.
 
grantza,

don't get me wrong. I fully agree with the points you have mentioned. If you do something illegal, expect to get arrested.

I am merely questioning why in one case where an illegal protest is taking place, the protesters are arrested for "conspiring to commit a crime" (as per Gary's post above), but in (multiple) other cases, no such arrests take place, even when looting of shops/vendors occur, and/or damage to property, etc, i.e. not just conspiring to commit a crime, but actually committing a crime. Does this not raise your eyebrow, not even a little bit?
 
Sodan said:
grantza,

don't get me wrong. I fully agree with the points you have mentioned. If you do something illegal, expect to get arrested.

I am merely questioning why in one case where an illegal protest is taking place, the protesters are arrested for "conspiring to commit a crime" (as per Gary's post above), but in (multiple) other cases, no such arrests take place, even when looting of shops/vendors occur, and/or damage to property, etc, i.e. not just conspiring to commit a crime, but actually committing a crime. Does this not raise your eyebrow, not even a little bit?
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I agree with you.
 
Sodan said:
grantza,

don't get me wrong. I fully agree with the points you have mentioned. If you do something illegal, expect to get arrested.

I am merely questioning why in one case where an illegal protest is taking place, the protesters are arrested for "conspiring to commit a crime" (as per Gary's post above), but in (multiple) other cases, no such arrests take place, even when looting of shops/vendors occur, and/or damage to property, etc, i.e. not just conspiring to commit a crime, but actually committing a crime. Does this not raise your eyebrow, not even a little bit?
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sure
however, my comments are / were related to the specific topic being the beach road march.

and of course, if people protest illegally & also start committing crimes like looting (which we have seen in cape town) they need to be arrested & prosecuted - which i believe was case with the recent protests & looting that took place in the city / st georges mall area earlier this year.
 
Sodan said:
grantza,

don't get me wrong. I fully agree with the points you have mentioned. If you do something illegal, expect to get arrested.

I am merely questioning why in one case where an illegal protest is taking place, the protesters are arrested for "conspiring to commit a crime" (as per Gary's post above), but in (multiple) other cases, no such arrests take place, even when looting of shops/vendors occur, and/or damage to property, etc, i.e. not just conspiring to commit a crime, but actually committing a crime. Does this not raise your eyebrow, not even a little bit?
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While the city was ready for a potential siege, protesters had already been halted in their tracks. As they emerged from Woodstock station they were met by a fleet of police cars and riot vans.
A stand-off ensued as officers demanded the protesters turn back.
The deadlock was eventually broken when police used a water cannon and a trio of stun grenades to disperse the crowds.
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Police arrested 12 protesters in connection with the march. Police spokesman Captain FC van Wyk said they would appear at the Cape Town Magistrate’s Court on charges relating to the Illegal Gatherings Act.
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/police-stop-protesters-in-their-tracks-1.1654031
 
Garyvdh said:
Five people have been arrested for conspiring to commit a crime during an illegal march in Cape Town, Western Cape police said on Monday.

"According to the reports, a group of about 200 people had gathered at Sea Point and then proceeded to the Pavilion Mall carrying placards and loud-hailers," Colonel Tembinkosi Kinana said in a statement.

"They were warned by the police, as their gathering was illegal. It is believed that they moved to the Grand Parade where they continued with their picketing and chants."

The participants in the march on Sunday, in support of Palestine, were then twice warned by police as they proceeded towards Buitenkant Street, near where a pro-Israel rally was being held.

"At that stage, the police started arresting the members of the group who had defied the lawful orders to leave the place," Kinana said.

"About five people, four men aged between 30 and 43, and a 36-year-old woman were arrested for conspiring to commit a crime."

The five were expected to appear in the Cape Town Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Further details were expected to emerge during their court appearance.


Source : Sapa /aw/jk/jje
Date : 11 Aug 2014 09:49
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5 people gathered illegally??:confused:
 
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