HapticSimian
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Correct, ALFAHOLIC. In other words spooling together, with each feeding half the cylinders (parallel) or one smaller boosting at low-mid revs and another bigger turbo taking over at mid-high revs (sequential).
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Focus ST vs 135i
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I think this is the smartest thing you've said in your 580 posts!
eh?
I ahve 580 posts? OMW!
Yep, I think the OP stated somewhere that each turbo spools 3 cylinders...
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How do you figure that? The 135i clocks around 211 km/h a standing start 1 kilometer run (as confirmed by Car Magazine, November 2008, page 76). The first search result that I got for a modified ST was this, where a number of STs handsomely beat a stock 135i's exit speed. The fastest ST on that particular day went 234km/h which anybody will tell you is a big difference from 211km/h.
I'm not belittling the 135i in any way. I know that it is a very fast car indeed. All I'm doing is proving you wrong.
As I've explained before, both cars got off the line VERY quickly. They were still neck and neck at the end of first gear. The ST only really started opening up a gap after first gear (which is unferstandable, given the traction limitations of FWD). So no, I could see that the guy in the 135i knew what he was doing. He did not bog down nor did he get too much wheelspin. He got a good launch.
No need to elaborate; I've already proven you wrong earlier.
Oh, I see. Would you care to explain the difference between the two to me then?
Mmmm, I thought you couldn't....
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How do you figure that? The 135i clocks around 211 km/h a standing start 1 kilometer run (as confirmed by Car Magazine, November 2008, page 76). The first search result that I got for a modified ST was this, where a number of STs handsomely beat a stock 135i's exit speed. The fastest ST on that particular day went 234km/h which anybody will tell you is a big difference from 211km/h.
I'm not belittling the 135i in any way. I know that it is a very fast car indeed. All I'm doing is proving you wrong.
As I've explained before, both cars got off the line VERY quickly. They were still neck and neck at the end of first gear. The ST only really started opening up a gap after first gear (which is unferstandable, given the traction limitations of FWD). So no, I could see that the guy in the 135i knew what he was doing. He did not bog down nor did he get too much wheelspin. He got a good launch.
No need to elaborate; I've already proven you wrong earlier.
Oh, I see. Would you care to explain the difference between the two to me then?
Mmmm, I thought you couldn't....
YOU GO BOY !
I don't think ST's are slow per se ...
I just don't like their driversVery arrogrant ...
+1 on the arrogant!
technically, bi refers to two things with a mutual or "working together" element but alluding to a singlular. hence biturbo (no s). So the two form a singular in existence/operation etc.
Twin would refer to two things as well, but allude to them being seperate or on their own and not mutually related although of course in this case they are.
Am I making sense? its still a bit early in the morning and I'm only on my first coffee
Twin would refer to two things as well, but allude to them being seperate or on their own and not mutually related although of course in this case they are.
Am I making sense? its still a bit early in the morning and I'm only on my first coffee
technically, bi refers to two things with a mutual or "working together" element but alluding to a singlular. hence biturbo (no s). So the two form a singular in existence/operation etc.
Twin would refer to two things as well, but allude to them being seperate or on their own and not mutually related although of course in this case they are.
Am I making sense? its still a bit early in the morning and I'm only on my first coffee
makes sense to me!
HapticSimian
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Even more technically - both from Miriam-Webster dictionary:
In this context they mean exactly the same thing - bi- is sourced from Latin, and twi- or twin from Nordic languages, that's the only linguistic difference.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
face it JK8...
You've been proved wrong, AGAIN....
Oh btw, where are the dyno charts of your Polo with its PD160 intake getting 120kw on the wheels... I'm still waiting for that.
You've been proved wrong, AGAIN....
Oh btw, where are the dyno charts of your Polo with its PD160 intake getting 120kw on the wheels... I'm still waiting for that.
I see this getting out of hand...JK8 was the leader of the pack that refuted my Polow win...now its time to explain...
Ja, where is the dyno charts?
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Not getting out of hand at all..
JK8 likes to make sweeping statements about cars, and then runs away when he gets proved wrong....
JK8 likes to make sweeping statements about cars, and then runs away when he gets proved wrong....
Pitbull
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Focus ST > 35i Beamers hands down.
Remember the 35i range is not built for racing, sure it has 2 turbo's but it's a 6 cyclinder car 1 turbo per 3 cyclinders. Where the ST has 1 turbo for 5 cyclinders. Also you need to take into account that the ST has a smaller exhaust housing meaning the turbine in the exhaust would make the turbo boost at lower revs leaving it open to build up a pretty hefty boost through the rev range. The 35i's don't. It was never built to be a race car, the ST on the other hand....
Remember the 35i range is not built for racing, sure it has 2 turbo's but it's a 6 cyclinder car 1 turbo per 3 cyclinders. Where the ST has 1 turbo for 5 cyclinders. Also you need to take into account that the ST has a smaller exhaust housing meaning the turbine in the exhaust would make the turbo boost at lower revs leaving it open to build up a pretty hefty boost through the rev range. The 35i's don't. It was never built to be a race car, the ST on the other hand....
fxit_man
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Fair enough the ST does stand for Sports Technologies..
But there is no way a stock ST would stand a chance against a stock x35i.
So x35i > ST
Pitbull
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Depends on what you refer to as standard.
I can open the bonnet of an ST and turn up the boost by hand. Does that qualify as not being standard no more?
Remember that just because it's a Bi-Turbo doesn't mean it's better. Unless we know what size those 2 turbo's are and if they are for performance or reliability. I would bet on reliability since it's a BMW
Pitbull
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RS4 is not in the same class as the Beemer
It's like racing a NA Golf against a ST .....
The ST is the faster car between the beemer and the Ford, no idea why this is even up for a debate