Fog Lamps.....

[ponder]

I cannot fathom why some people have such a major issue with them - the beams do not intersect - they are aimed downwards towards the road and therefore do not blind anyone apart from the odd ex-dog or cat. If they were blinding, they'd be so on their own, which they certainly are not...

I dunno how to explain it but they definitely affect your vision. On a wet road surface it's x10 worse, because of them pointing down the reflection/scatter off the wet surface really blinds drivers of oncoming vehicles.

Why not simply obey the law? It's not like it's unique to SA either so we can't all be be wrong.

 

[Slaught3r]

Lead SA does not require you to drive with your fog lights on! You refer to the idiot with the rear ones on.... ironic that.

Rather front fog lights during the day than headlights freeking poephol. If my foglights are affecting your vision then you know you have had too much and are lying on the road. dick.

 

[ryu]

i use my front fogs at night when i'm driving... it helps me see better and i feel more comfortable having them on when driving at night . i don't see the problem with them at all, it also helps other driver on the road see me coming a mile away which is always good. really dont see a problem.... what is a problem is mor0ns on the road in the dead of night driving with no lights on or very dim lights (hardly noticable), i've actually seen a number of drivers with no lights on during the night ...

 

[Naks]

i use my front fogs at night when i'm driving... it helps me see better and i feel more comfortable having them on when driving at night

What you mean is you're an inconsiderate, law-breaking driver. Congratulations.

btw, fog lights do not make you see better, only glasses/contact lenses and/or laser surgery will.

 

[ponder]

Rather front fog lights during the day than headlights freeking poephol. If my foglights are affecting your vision then you know you have had too much and are lying on the road. dick.

Takes on to know one

 

[ryu]

What you mean is you're an inconsiderate, law-breaking driver. Congratulations.

btw, fog lights do not make you see better, only glasses/contact lenses and/or laser surgery will.

dude get over yourself ! there are far worse things then driving with your fogs on! and please do tell me how am i being inconsiderate ? my fogs (or anyones) arent that distracting unless ofcourse you staring at them instead of whats in front of you.

and yes the do help me see better IMHO you don't have to agree but then again maybe you the one that needs that laser surgery huh ?

 

[HapticSimian]

I dunno how to explain it but they definitely affect your vision. On a wet road surface it's x10 worse, because of them pointing down the reflection/scatter off the wet surface really blinds drivers of oncoming vehicles.

I'd agree with the sentiment regarding wet roads, as often even street lights can be a bit annoying, However if the glare from fog lights affects you that badly, it stands to reason that the glare from headlights would as well. Head- and fog lights often use the same types of bulbs, so although reflected at different angles (hence intersecting your sight at different instances in time) the glare should be comparable. If that's the case, perhaps we should all just drive without lights in order to spare you the inconvenience?

Lance had me running all over the innerwebz yesterday, and I saw the same pattern repeating on forum after forum - a couple of wet blankets with nothing better to do than moan over inconsequential tripe, interspersed with people affirming that they've never been bothered by properly adjusted fog lamps and asking what the fuss is about.

Why not simply obey the law? It's not like it's unique to SA either so we can't all be be wrong.

It is also not universal, as evidenced by countries like Canada that have no regulations pertaining thereto. Something is not elevated above the realm of query and criticism just because it happens to be law. I'm much more worried about taxis with cardboard brakes.

 

[Bona Botse]

Is that supposed to be some form of analogy? If it is then it's FAIL.

okay, i guess the new term for "i don't understand" is "FAIL", so i'll explain.

lancelotsa's logic is "i can flash my lights when trying to overtake so therefore i can flash my lights in any other situation." (Logic1)

so i used this logic to create my own, which is "i can do 120 in a 120 zone so therefore i can do 120 anywhere else." (Logic2)

so using these two pieces of logic, it is now legal for me to do 120 in a 60 zone, to catch up to a guy who passed me doing 80 (Logic2), and when i catch up to him, i can flash my lights at him to tell him to slow down (Logic1).

What about if you thought you were going to overtake, but decide not to at the last moment, but already flashed the guy. Would you now have broken the law?

i'm no law expert, but i think a big part of the law is intention. i intended to overtake, but the circumstance changed, and i didn't overtake, afaik i didn't break the law.
for e.g., i flash you, you give way but you decide to accelerate, i don't see how i could have broken the law.

 

[DJ...]

I dunno how to explain it but they definitely affect your vision. On a wet road surface it's x10 worse, because of them pointing down the reflection/scatter off the wet surface really blinds drivers of oncoming vehicles.

Why not simply obey the law? It's not like it's unique to SA either so we can't all be be wrong.

I've never encountered this problem before and the last time this was hotly debated on the forum, I made a conscious effort to check all front fogs I spotted to see if they impacted on my vision as an oncoming vehicle at all. I still do this now in fact and they have absolutely no bearing on my vision at all. High-beams on the other hand are a nuisance. As is this ridiculous Lead SA Drive With Lights On During The Day For Absolute No Reason Whatsoever campaign.

I am far more comfortable having better peripheral vision - I can see pavements and obstacles around corners far earlier with my fogs on - I also feel safer at traffic lights where I've tested and found that my fogs give me far better visibility to the sides - important from a safety perspective as far as I am concerned. And in wet conditions, the beams are far more likely to reflect light into oncoming traffic - there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that, fog lights or not...

 

[Slaught3r]

I don't like that guy, he argues a point just for the sake of arguing.

People who stick their noses into other peoples business are a close second.

 

[Naks]

dude get over yourself ! there are far worse things then driving with your fogs on!

The law is the law. So you condone breaking the law when it suits you, but not when it affects you. oh, the irony.

 

[ryu]

The law is the law. So you condone breaking the law when it suits you, but not when it affects you. oh, the irony.

oh please you getting your panties in a bunch over lights ... i find it very hard to believe you stick to the law and then talk about irony, are you telling me you never drive over 120 ? even when overtaking ?

you guys fight over silly things like fog lights but you yourself will probably break a hundred road rules a day ...now thats irony

 

[DJ...]

The law is the law.

I'm yet to hear of anyone ever being pulled over for having their fog lights on. Much the same as stopping completely at stop streets late at night is often overlooked by Metro pigs for safety reasons. Traffic lights in certain areas too.

Apparently there still exists a law in this country that bars "young people" wearing bathing suits from sitting within 12 inches of each other. The law is the law...

 

[ryu]

I'm yet to hear of anyone ever being pulled over for having their fog lights on. Much the same as stopping completely at stop streets late at night is often overlooked by Metro pigs for safety reasons. Traffic lights in certain areas too.

Apparently there still exists a law in this country that bars "young people" wearing bathing suits from sitting within 12 inches of each other. The law is the law...

couldn't have said it better

 

[Rouxenator]

i use my front fogs at night when i'm driving... it helps me see better and i feel more comfortable having them on when driving at night ..

Driving with your brights on will do the same. But have you ever though of what it does to other road users?

Fog lights (front and back) are very bright to penetrate fog in foggy conditions.

In non foggy conditions they blind/hurt/annoy other drivers. In rainy condition (with no fog) they are twice as bad since the shiny wet road surface reflective them.

Fog lights are destined to only be used in fog which can reduce their range. This is for other drivers to not be annoyed by them. Their sole objective is to give you a few more meters of visibility WITHOUT being noticed by other drivers.

They do not look cool.

 

[ponder]

I'd agree with the sentiment regarding wet roads, as often even street lights can be a bit annoying, However if the glare from fog lights affects you that badly, it stands to reason that the glare from headlights would as well. Head- and fog lights often use the same types of bulbs, so although reflected at different angles (hence intersecting your sight at different instances in time) the glare should be comparable. If that's the case, perhaps we should all just drive without lights in order to spare you the inconvenience?

No. They have a much worse effect than your normal headlights. But it's cool, I'm gonna find myself some higher wattage illegal bulbs and drive with those on permanently at night. If you can break the law so can I. Yes I know it's childish tit-for-tat, game on

 

[Naks]

are you telling me you never drive over 120 ? even when overtaking ?

Why would you need to go over 120kmh when overtaking when the speed limit is 120kmh?

you guys fight over silly things like fog lights but you yourself will probably break a hundred road rules a day ...now thats irony

Some of us obey the law, always. However by your own admission we know that YOU do not. The next time your house gets broken into/car stolen/etc, just remember that to the thief, breaking the law suits him, but affects you.

 

[ponder]

High-beams on the other hand are a nuisance.

I'll keep that in mind

 

[DJ...]

Oh lawd, the argumentative-for-the-sake-of-it-without-ever-admitting-fault nitwit is here. Conversation is about to take a nosedive. I'll leave this to those with some patience for simpletons then...

 

[Rouxenator]

You know what does make you look cool? A lot cooler than fog lights? Driving without wearing your seatbelt. Thats real cool and cops won't pull you over. Try it sometime. Also try combining it with high speed and general recklessness, you might do the human gene pool a favour in the end.