Freedom from racism

Who the hell cares what this dumbass has to say? All he does is go to other countries on vacations to supposedly negotiate trade policies. We could trade so much more if the stupid guy called the president stays here a bit and attends to much more urgent problems instead of doing this:

Thabo: Ahh Ivy, the prices of telecommunications are too high, please do something.
Ivy: (Bah what is this moron saying? I need my new car and necklace)
Thabo: (one year later) Ivy, why is the prices still high? Didn't I tell you to do something? Please do something about it soon.
Ivy: Ok mister. (yeah like Telkom soon :o )
Thabo: (One year later) Ag please Ivy...
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I don't care what he says about anybody or anything.
 
:D @ Tanarri :)

BlueCollar said:
Metal!

Link changed to Wikipedia article on Dethklok instead.
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Thanks man. Difficult one. Maybe your original link was best (I just have a thing about auto-downloads, and music 'automatically' assuming it is more important than what I am playing at the moment. The sound file is obviously tied to the video file.) What can I say? Interesting though. Thanks. (Pity we live in such a bandwidth starved environment.)
 
BlueCollar said:
Well considering Mbeki himself in his speech discussed the merits of finding out the perspectives of others:



I think it's not unreasonable to expect him to practise what he preaches, and maybe have found out a white person's perspective before making the speech.

Again, my point is that in the spirit of inclusiveness it would have been nice if whites were included, instead of being pointed at. I'm not making excuses, I'm merely saying that I think Mbeki's handling of the situation could have been carried out with a little more finesse.
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So in essence you are saying a black perspective shouldn't be heard unless it's accompanied by a white one...basically agreeing that he should have suspended the debate until a "black on white racism" example was found? I think it's true that sometimes people are prejudiced without even realsing it. :(

Off to watch footy, enjoy the rest of your day.
 
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Angelo said:
So in essence you are saying a black perspective shouldn't be heard unless it's accompanied by a white one...basically agreeing that he should have suspended the debate until a "black on white racism" example was found? I think it's true that sometimes people are prejudiced without even realsing it. :(

Off to watch footy, enjoy the rest of your day.
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Grr....

I'm not saying that he should have suspended the debate until another example "was found". I'm certainly not saying that a black perspective shouldn't be heard unless accompanied by a white one. What I am saying is that he is South Africa's president. He's my president too, and as such it would be nice if he could maybe include me. While black people might be the majority, they're not the only people in South Africa.

Mbeki's aims are noble - to address the issue of racism, good stuff. His method is ham-fisted - address racism by alienating whites. Not once in his address did our president even hint that racism, by definition, is not necessarily something that only whites can do to blacks. In other words, he's not truly addressing non-racialism in South Africa, he's telling white people not to be racists.


I just find it ironic, and a little disappointing, that in his attempt to extoll the virtues of being non-racial, our president singles out a particular racial group.

But ok, call me racist. It seems that being politcally centre-ish gets me labelled racist from both sides. awesome
 
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Angelo said:
So in essence you are saying a black perspective shouldn't be heard unless it's accompanied by a white one...basically agreeing that he should have suspended the debate until a "black on white racism" example was found? I think it's true that sometimes people are prejudiced without even realsing it. :(

Off to watch footy, enjoy the rest of your day.
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And here you have it ladies and gentlemen, from the horse's mouth so to speak, that Angelo believes that there are no incidences of blacks being racist to whites and that it would be way to time consuming for el presidente to find one, despite that he makes a racist comment with his very speach.

Tell us angelo, are you just thick or are you being paid to post here?
 
BlueCollar said:
...I just find it ironic, and a little disappointing, that in his attempt to extoll the virtues of being non-racial, our president singles out a particular racial group....
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not even just a particular racial group, the whites, unfortunately, it is quite generalising, as definately not all whites are like the examples he's chosen, they are most definately by far in the minority, and not representative of the whites in za.
 
Mbeki clearly lashes out only at white-on-black racism, meanwhile black-on-white racism has become an enormous scourge and is growing every day ... this is nothing other than an attempt to beat whites even further into passive "guilty" submission for fear of being considered racist etc. and I will not stand for this crap anymore. We have been bullied into becoming trampled victims, it's a massively powerful mechanism for controlling people, wake up, we are being manipulated with this BS. The message is now that a white employer who attempts to fire a bad black worker is automatically guilty of racism and may not even speak up if the employee plays the race card - something which is a very real problem! We are being silenced and our hands being tied. Learn an African language and discover the wonderful world of just how prevalent black-on-white racism is (e.g. get publicly called filthy trash by the smiling store clerk 'helping' you just for walking into the store, or get called a filthy "Leburu" by the very person you are helping with something, and so on). I'm sick of being called the bad guy just for being white. This is an attempt to rile blacks and further the subjugation of whites by blacks DISGUISED as phony reconciliatory babble.

The most ironic thing is that in the new South Africa, white on black racism is now actually so rare that ONE INCIDENT of a white guy insulting some blacks on a train MAKES HEADLINE NEWS ... think about that for a moment. If it was such a common problem, how can this be? On the other hand it happens every day that blacks insult whites and whites and blacks just all accept it (or whites don't even know it's happening because we don't know the languages). In this New South Africa, I've gone about ten years without even HEARING the "K word" (and even now it's only heard in a "meta" sense in a discussion about racism, not even actual usage of the word). That's how far things have turned around.
 
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Orangeman said:
The etymology of the word is from the Arabic word "kafir", a derogatory term for "infidel" or "non-believer". This was the word the Arab slavers and traders used to describe the Africans who were not Muslim.
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Yeah we get called "kafir's" all the time by Islamic fundamentalists. Strange there doesn't seem to be much hoohah about it:rolleyes: There was a "music video" showed on SKY with these extremists saying "kafir" with the twin towers falling in the background. Didn't notice that getting much of a reaction.:rolleyes:

Could you imagine if they were "whites" singing about "blacks" with "black" people dying in the background on SKY. The **** would have hit the fan :eek:
 
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alanf85 said:
Yeah we get called "kafir's" all the time by Islamic fundamentalists.
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While it might mean "unbeliever" that in a Muslim context the use of it by people here in South Africa in the Afrikaans language it has become a rather derogatory racial insult.

Also your rather idiotic defense of this bygone derogatory term along with another poster here just shows us your true colours.
 
tibby.dude said:
While it might mean "unbeliever" that in a Muslim context the use of it by people here in South Africa in the Afrikaans language it has become a rather derogatory racial insult.

Also your rather idiotic defense of this bygone derogatory term along with another poster here just shows us your true colours.
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Eh it is meant to be a derogatory term aimed at non muslims. Did you not read the quote :o .

Um how was I defending it. :confused:

Damn talk about a bad case of "victim mentality" :D
 
alanf85 said:
Damn talk about a bad case of "victim mentality"
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Apologies to you Alanf85 as I obviously misinterpreted your posting.

A victim mentality ... not at all ... just tired of hearing the words like that and "hotnot" uttered in my presence in 2007 ... they obviously thought I had a nice ****ing suntan.
 
tibby.dude said:
Apologies to you Alanf85 as I obviously misinterpreted your posting.

A victim mentality ... not at all ... just tired of hearing the words like that and "hotnot" uttered in my presence in 2007 ... they obviously thought I had a nice ****ing suntan.
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No worries can happen to anybody ;)

Can't blame someone for being rather "sensitive" on an issue like the term "kafir".
 
tibby.dude said:
Apologies to you Alanf85 as I obviously misinterpreted your posting.

A victim mentality ... not at all ... just tired of hearing the words like that and "hotnot" uttered in my presence in 2007 ... they obviously thought I had a nice ****ing suntan.
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If you promise not to call anyone anything derogitory like whitey then we promise not to call u h*tnot :D
 
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