Freedom from racism

Angelo said:
So in essence you are saying a black perspective shouldn't be heard unless it's accompanied by a white one...basically agreeing that he should have suspended the debate until a "black on white racism" example was found? I think it's true that sometimes people are prejudiced without even realsing it. :(

Off to watch footy, enjoy the rest of your day.
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I think what he's saying is we need balance. Any citizen can relate an incident he thinks is racist. Mbeki is using one or two incidents to prove that there is a large racist element still lurking (which I think is just nonsense).

He's not even using proven examples - like the Investec one where an enquiry is underway. What if they find it to be LOB? Who's going to have egg on his bearded face??
 
(Just seen the report on E)

I am appalled. He sounds just like Bob! :eek:
 
VJB 449 said:
Racism is enshrined in our constitution (thanks ANC!) thus we will never get over it.
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As crass as that sounds it is the truth. Cannot expect the minority groups to forget racism exists and cuddle up when they are subjected to it daily.
 
Creed said:
I see that he says calling blacks kaffirs is extremely racist but excluding whites from the term african is ok.

I was born here as were my great grand parents and my parents but yet we are not africans.(according to some extremely racist views by some of our forumites)

He can use me as a ref. anytime.
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What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans. So perhaps the whole confusion stems from your own inability to acknowledge with pride where you belong and not swing between goalposts as and when it becomes convenient.
 
darkone said:
What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans.
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Can you please give an example of when this happened, and whom said it? Thanks.
 
BlueCollar said:
The issue of whites being excluded (yet again) from the term "African" is worthy of its whole own debate.
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Who is excluding whites from the term African? It's not Mbeki. Go back and watch I am an African - don't worry - he includes whites.

What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans. So perhaps the whole confusion stems from your own inability to acknowledge with pride where you belong and not swing between goalposts as and when it becomes convenient.
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I'm not sure that individuals do this. Some whites want to be included - and some do not. For me, I guess its about self-identification. If you consider yourself to be African, you are (provided of course you meet some vague criteria of being African, such as having lived here at some point).
 
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darkone said:
What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans. So perhaps the whole confusion stems from your own inability to acknowledge with pride where you belong and not swing between goalposts as and when it becomes convenient.
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Not me.
 
darkone said:
What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans. So perhaps the whole confusion stems from your own inability to acknowledge with pride where you belong and not swing between goalposts as and when it becomes convenient.
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Quite a number of blacks seem to think most white people have dual citizenship in european countries.

I wish! I'd say at least 80% of whites dont have that.
 
supersunbird said:
Quite a number of blacks seem to think most white people have dual citizenship in european countries.

I wish! I'd say at least 80% of whites dont have that.
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Even less than that I think have dual. Most that could leave have left, liberation came a generation to late in this country which plays into both the current regime and the former colonial countries hands nicely.
Had it been a generation earlier more people would've qualified to get out of dodge which would've made the existing exodus look like nothing.
Whites are a neccessary evil (for now) in this country but their sell-by date is fast approaching.
A non-african nation without a home.

This speech of Thabo's is nothing more than fodder for the flock.
 
darkone said:
What i find funny with most white people, and please don't misquote me, i am not referring to all whites, is that when it is convenient you want to be called African, but when its time to talk interact with other Europeans or Americans you would rather be called Europeans. So perhaps the whole confusion stems from your own inability to acknowledge with pride where you belong and not swing between goalposts as and when it becomes convenient.
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hehehhehee, yha South Africa and its race issues.
 
A Gauteng woman has told how she and her family fled their home for the safety of a small Free State town, after believing a hoax SMS that former president Nelson Mandela was in a coma.

Christene Pretorius, from Springs, swallowed the message warning Afrikaners to escape a genocide triggered by Mandela's supposed imminent death.

When she received the warning SMS she left work, rounded up her family and went to camp out "in the middle of nowhere" for two days before realising she had been duped.

Behind Pretorius and her family's panicked flight to safety in Heilbron is a tale of conspiracy theory, "basic survival", and claims of an Uhuru plot which would be ignited by Mandela's death.
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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20070318115833124C267486

How sad.
 
David Bullard Collumn in the Sunday Times

Normally this would be an ideal recipe for gloom and self-pity, but I am determined to regard this whole dreadful business in a positive light. I will definitely not be leaving South Africa and my optimism for the future of this country has been strengthened rather than weakened. We live in the most beautiful country and are blessed with the finest people you could imagine, therefore good must eventually triumph over evil. If I can believe that, then so can you and you must — otherwise we are all lost. Warfare is all about breaking down the spirit of the people and our rampant crime is a particularly ugly form of warfare.

The word “tsunami” is loosely bandied about these days but it’s the only word I can think of to describe the reaction to my shooting. The energy I have gained from the hundreds of supportive letters, SMSs, e-mails and cards I have received has been quite phenomenal (they will all be read) and I am feeling, if not looking, 100%. This incident must be used positively and it is my intention to become far more involved with my local community- policing forum and with the fight against crime in general.

In the few lines left I’d like to thank fellow members of the media for their tremendous support, the police and medics who looked after this pathetic bleeding figure on the night of March 7, the doctors and staff at Milpark Hospital and particularly you, the wonderful readers of the Sunday Times, who bought tears of gratitude to my eyes. Bless you and thank you.
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Well said.
 
I must say moderation on this forum has really evolved and there is a new wave of tolerance towards different opinions, if I had started a thread like this a year ago it was most probably going to be deleted before it could even get replies. Kudos to the Mods or is it the new Bwana reign? :)
 
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tibby.dude said:
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20070318115833124C267486
A Gauteng woman has told how she and her family fled their home for the safety of a small Free State town, after believing a hoax SMS that former president Nelson Mandela was in a coma.

Christene Pretorius, from Springs, swallowed the message warning Afrikaners to escape a genocide triggered by Mandela's supposed imminent death.

When she received the warning SMS she left work, rounded up her family and went to camp out "in the middle of nowhere" for two days before realising she had been duped.

Behind Pretorius and her family's panicked flight to safety in Heilbron is a tale of conspiracy theory, "basic survival", and claims of an Uhuru plot which would be ignited by Mandela's death.
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How sad.
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We can find many examples of men and women doing stupid things or believing nonsense. However, as I said about Mbeki, they cannot be used as an example to paint the rest of society.

For example, I can find many people in the Zulu community who think that the Tokolosh is real and they should put their beds on bricks or that chemelians and frogs are evil. I could relate the story to some foreigners as an example of odd beliefs amongst the Zulu, but I would be dishonest if I didn't qualify it by saying it was not practised by all.
 
President Mbeki should look back at his own peoples miserable attempt towards playing down events and postulating on perceptions. Here are a few links to some of the Xhosa doings and their racism and hate:

http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-2-THE_NATIONAL_SUICIDE_XHOSA.htm

http://www.dispatch.co.za/1999/10/25/features/LP1.HTM

http://www.madibaaction.co.za/Artic...c&PageID=88cd9e82-7343-4e2e-83a6-7bb5ad62e512

http://www.fwdklerk.org.za/download_speech/05_04_10_WPO_S.doc

There are many more. Interesting in that when went wrong, the ‘prophecy’ was blamed on manipulation by the British. Blame shifting then already.
 
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