FTTH Paulshof

[bradleyk]

Who doesn't have a license? Contractors don't need a license to lay fibre, only the operators using it does. Afaik all of them have licenses.

Interesting how someone who is in the industry (Atec) is bad mouthing their competitors?

 

[ATEC_CT]

Interesting how someone who is in the industry (Atec) is bad mouthing their competitors?

Am i bad mouthing anyone? My apologies if that is how you read it. I was actually commenting on the general state of affairs, but I do see how it could have been perceived differently.

In my opinion Greencom is doing good things, i have nothing but admiration for them. In a high risk environment they have taken the plunge, and are rolling out in general municipal areas. A lot of backing is needed to have the capital to do so. Few people realize it can cost upwards of R20k per residence for the provider to connect a new user. That usually means it takes up to 10 years for a connection to complete ROI.

They also seem to be utilizing some of the most modern methods of fibre deployment available today. We have a slightly different model than theirs, but it doesn't mean i don't respect what they are doing.

While i don't see them on the list of Licensed Providers, the list is often dated, and sometimes companies are licensed under a different corporate entity as their "trade" name.

Just FYI, while fibre installation contractors don't require licensing, anyone who delivers services over fibre, including open access operators, do need to have the relevant licenses to comply with ICASA telecommunications and broadcasting laws.

 

[Kyoto]

Am i bad mouthing anyone? My apologies if that is how you read it. I was actually commenting on the general state of affairs, but I do see how it could have been perceived differently.

In my opinion Greencom is doing good things, i have nothing but admiration for them. In a high risk environment they have taken the plunge, and are rolling out in general municipal areas. A lot of backing is needed to have the capital to do so. Few people realize it can cost upwards of R20k per residence for the provider to connect a new user. That usually means it takes up to 10 years for a connection to complete ROI.

They also seem to be utilizing some of the most modern methods of fibre deployment available today. We have a slightly different model than theirs, but it doesn't mean i don't respect what they are doing.

While i don't see them on the list of Licensed Providers, the list is often dated, and sometimes companies are licensed under a different corporate entity as their "trade" name.

Just FYI, while fibre installation contractors don't require licensing, anyone who delivers services over fibre, including open access operators, do need to have the relevant licenses to comply with ICASA telecommunications and broadcasting laws.

Greencom are a Reseller of MFN, and they have all the required licences

 

[feo]

Am i bad mouthing anyone? My apologies if that is how you read it. I was actually commenting on the general state of affairs, but I do see how it could have been perceived differently.

In my opinion Greencom is doing good things, i have nothing but admiration for them. In a high risk environment they have taken the plunge, and are rolling out in general municipal areas. A lot of backing is needed to have the capital to do so. Few people realize it can cost upwards of R20k per residence for the provider to connect a new user. That usually means it takes up to 10 years for a connection to complete ROI.

They also seem to be utilizing some of the most modern methods of fibre deployment available today. We have a slightly different model than theirs, but it doesn't mean i don't respect what they are doing.

While i don't see them on the list of Licensed Providers, the list is often dated, and sometimes companies are licensed under a different corporate entity as their "trade" name.

Just FYI, while fibre installation contractors don't require licensing, anyone who delivers services over fibre, including open access operators, do need to have the relevant licenses to comply with ICASA telecommunications and broadcasting laws.

Do you guys also roll out fibre? Never heard of ATEC before.

 

[ATEC_CT]

Do you guys also roll out fibre? Never heard of ATEC before.

Actually, i think we are currently the third largest residential Fibre Only ISP in the country. By amount of clients, anyway. Telkom is obviously biggest, and second is SmartVillage. We've been around since 2006.

 

[Greencom]

I have it under good authority that Metrofibre is laying fibre down Witkoppen. SO Greencom will use this fibre.

The good news , YES , 1st quarter 2016. ! Greencom will be with you .

 

[midnightcaller]

The good news , YES , 1st quarter 2016. ! Greencom will be with you .

I'm not so sure it's good news for everyone.
I contacted metrofibre directly this morning.
Metrofibre indicated that they are targeting complexes in paulshof.

So, it's good news if you in a complex.
Me: I'm in a freestanding house. So not good news for me.

 

[Drone 42]

I received this email yesterday from the Paulshof ratepayers association:

Hi everyone!

We have received the following communication from 123net: "I confirm our decision to start rolling in Paulshof in January 2016, for which we have already started our planning and other formal activities."

We still need to get more signed contracts, however, so please send it in, if you have not done so already.

The plan is also to install a local marketing manager specifically for the Paulshof area, so that all questions can be answered and community events planned.

There has also been a request that I bullet point the 123net in the most simple of terms, so here goes....

- 123net offers REALLY REALLY fast, reliable internet.



- There is a FREE internet option available:

· R3 600 once-off installation fee

· 5mbps line speed - this is faster than Telkom’s FASTER ADSL package (http://www.telkom.co.za/today/shop/plan/adsl-line/)

 

[Greencom]

I'm not so sure it's good news for everyone.
I contacted metrofibre directly this morning.
Metrofibre indicated that they are targeting complexes in paulshof.

So, it's good news if you in a complex.
Me: I'm in a freestanding house. So not good news for me.

We always start with the high density areas which usually means the complexes as we roll out we service all the free standing properties we pass, as the project advances we then look at areas of just free standing properties .

This is exactly the same process as we rolled out in Sunninghill where we now have many free standing homes connected .

 

[Greencom]

Any person wishing to view service offerings from Greencom may view at www.greencom.co.za and you can register your interest on http://greencom.co.za/i-am-interested/ .

All of Greencoms services are Uncapped , unshaped and symetric .

 

[Archi3]

I received this email yesterday from the Paulshof ratepayers association:

Hi everyone!

We have received the following communication from 123net: "I confirm our decision to start rolling in Paulshof in January 2016, for which we have already started our planning and other formal activities."

We still need to get more signed contracts, however, so please send it in, if you have not done so already.

The plan is also to install a local marketing manager specifically for the Paulshof area, so that all questions can be answered and community events planned.

There has also been a request that I bullet point the 123net in the most simple of terms, so here goes....

- 123net offers REALLY REALLY fast, reliable internet.



- There is a FREE internet option available:

· R3 600 once-off installation fee

· 5mbps line speed - this is faster than Telkom’s FASTER ADSL package (http://www.telkom.co.za/today/shop/plan/adsl-line/)

I hope we are not forced to use 123net. They constantly come back with "we need more signups before we will do anything" rubbish.

If Greencom can pull fibre into the complex in Jan or Feb, I will jump at the chance! Go Greencom!

 

[midnightcaller]

I hope we are not forced to use 123net. They constantly come back with "we need more signups before we will do anything" rubbish.

If Greencom can pull fibre into the complex in Jan or Feb, I will jump at the chance! Go Greencom!

I suggest you read the fine print on the 123net contract.
Contractually you are tied in until they deliver the service on the commencement date.......even if it's in 2020 ( worst case)

 

[Archi3]

I suggest you read the fine print on the 123net contract.
Contractually you are tied in until they deliver the service on the commencement date.......even if it's in 2020 ( worst case)

Yeah I know, that is why I hope we are not forced to use them :-( The Paulshof ratepayers association are dead set on using them for some odd reason, kick backs from 123net? Who knows....

 

[Swa]

I suggest you read the fine print on the 123net contract.
Contractually you are tied in until they deliver the service on the commencement date.......even if it's in 2020 ( worst case)

Nope, you can cancel.

 

[midnightcaller]

Nope, you can cancel.

Show me where in the t and c on the contract

 

[Swa]

Show me where in the t and c on the contract

I showed you previously the clauses where you can give 30 or 20 days notice to cancel the service. Not exactly clear on which one applies when.

 

[midnightcaller]

I showed you previously the clauses where you can give 30 or 20 days notice to cancel the service. Not exactly clear on which one applies when.

Here is the extract from the contract. Maybe there are some forum members with legal experience who can interpret this.

3.8. If the Subscriber is a natural person:

3.8.1. S/hemayterminatetheAgreement:

3.8.1.1. on the expiry of the Initial Period, by notice in writing to 123Net,

3.8.1.2. during the Initial Period, on 20 Days written notice to 123Net, subject to the provisions of clause 3.8.

3.8.2. 123Net can, during the Initial Period, terminate the Agreement on 20 (twenty) Days’ notice after the Subscriber receives written notice to remedy a material breach and the Subscriber fails to remedy such breach within the time period allowed to do so.

3.8.3. If the Agreement is not terminated during the Initial Period by either Party in accordance with the pro- visions of this clause 3 and where the Subscriber has not agreed to a renewal of the Agreement for a further fixed term, the Agreement will continue, after the expiry of the Initial Period, on a month-to- month basis (terminable by either 123Net or the Subscriber on one month's written notice to the other), subject to any material changes of which 123Net has given written notice given under clause 3.3.4.

3.8.4. Not more than 80 nor less than 40 Days before the expiry of the Initial Period, 123Net will notify the Subscriber in writing of the impending expiry of the Agreement, which notice will include any signific- ant changes that would apply if the Agreement were to be renewed and will include the Subscriber's right to terminate or continue with the Agreement on the expiry of the Initial Period.
_________ Initial here

3.9. If the Subscriber terminates this Agreement prior to the expiration of the Initial Period or any Renewal Period for any purpose other than expressly provided for in this Agreement, the Subscriber will be liable for all amounts due to 123Net until the date of termination and 123Net shall be entitled (unless the Subscriber is entitled to terminate the Agreement without penalty in accordance with the provisions of the CPA, if applicable), to a cancellation / early settlement fee, provided that where the Subscriber is a natural person, 123Net shall restrict such cancellation/early settlement fee to a reasonable fee determined to be in accordance with the guidelines set out in the CPA and, if applicable, the CPA Regulations.

 

[Quattro!]

Here is the extract from the contract. Maybe there are some forum members with legal experience who can interpret this.

3.8. If the Subscriber is a natural person:

3.8.1. S/hemayterminatetheAgreement:

3.8.1.1. on the expiry of the Initial Period, by notice in writing to 123Net,

3.8.1.2. during the Initial Period, on 20 Days written notice to 123Net, subject to the provisions of clause 3.8.

3.8.2. 123Net can, during the Initial Period, terminate the Agreement on 20 (twenty) Days’ notice after the Subscriber receives written notice to remedy a material breach and the Subscriber fails to remedy such breach within the time period allowed to do so.

3.8.3. If the Agreement is not terminated during the Initial Period by either Party in accordance with the pro- visions of this clause 3 and where the Subscriber has not agreed to a renewal of the Agreement for a further fixed term, the Agreement will continue, after the expiry of the Initial Period, on a month-to- month basis (terminable by either 123Net or the Subscriber on one month's written notice to the other), subject to any material changes of which 123Net has given written notice given under clause 3.3.4.

3.8.4. Not more than 80 nor less than 40 Days before the expiry of the Initial Period, 123Net will notify the Subscriber in writing of the impending expiry of the Agreement, which notice will include any signific- ant changes that would apply if the Agreement were to be renewed and will include the Subscriber's right to terminate or continue with the Agreement on the expiry of the Initial Period.
_________ Initial here

3.9. If the Subscriber terminates this Agreement prior to the expiration of the Initial Period or any Renewal Period for any purpose other than expressly provided for in this Agreement, the Subscriber will be liable for all amounts due to 123Net until the date of termination and 123Net shall be entitled (unless the Subscriber is entitled to terminate the Agreement without penalty in accordance with the provisions of the CPA, if applicable), to a cancellation / early settlement fee, provided that where the Subscriber is a natural person, 123Net shall restrict such cancellation/early settlement fee to a reasonable fee determined to be in accordance with the guidelines set out in the CPA and, if applicable, the CPA Regulations.

No need for a legal background here everything is clear; it's either you finish the contract term or be prepared to pay for early termination of contract.

 

[bradleyk]

Yeah I know, that is why I hope we are not forced to use them :-( The Paulshof ratepayers association are dead set on using them for some odd reason, kick backs from 123net? Who knows....

That's quite defamatory - I for one know the PRRA team did a thorough investigation of all options and 123net offer the best bang for buck.

No-one is going to force you to use any supplier, that's what a free market is for.

 

[midnightcaller]

I for one know the PRRA team did a thorough investigation of all options and 123net offer the best bang for buck.

Hi bradleyk
Please could you elaborate on thorough investigation of all options.
What were the requirements of the residents ?
How many companies responded?
Who responded?
What was the evaluation criteria?
Did the PRRA committee interview other HOA that selected the same company?

What does best bang for buck mean? Cheapest? Lowest bidder? Best value?