Game up for Linux?

superfly said:
Um, KDE 4.2 looks a lot like Vista (as sad as I am to say it, it's true), but *KDE* has changed in the last year or so. KDE 4.2 is very flashy, and it looks like that out of the box. If you have a 3D graphics card, it enables a few effects by default, and it has other things like real transparency. It's Gnome that hasn't changed much in the last 5 or so years.

One does need to note that no one actually has a real idea of how many computers run Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X. Mac OS X is probably the easiest to figure out, and Linux is most certainly the most difficult to track. How can you track something that is given away freely and has so many different distributions?

Also, I don't know why anyone has to "get hald going" because when I plug in a camera or a usb drive or my mp3 player, KDE pops up a little notification and I can click on it to open the device. I hardly ever *have* to pop down to the command line to do any system work on my computer.
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As a gentoo user, I had to install hald (gentoo distribution are for those that like to put everything together) and made it run at startup. But for the ubuntu guys I guess, as long as it works out of the box ;)
 
Linux/BSD in schools, or should I rather say POSIX in schools :D Heck if a kid knew about Linux at school already and the teacher. We could train an army of *ix zombies. How about that? Guess not :(

I'm a huge Linux fan boy, but Windows does make it believable that they are the only ones that knows how to make the most out of your computer, because they think for you... Strange since they are the ones repeating to keep an open mind. LOL yeah at the expense of your pocket.
 
@ITCynic

A while back, I "forced" my poor old mother to start using Linux, and luckily, she doesn't really know the difference between Windows and Linux. Sometimes, she surprises me when she finds a workaround while I'm trying to "fix" the problem by editing config files, etc. Same applies to my 10 yo niece. She has no prejudice and is quite happy with most of the 20+ educational packages (programs) that I have installed. She takes to Linux like a duck to water. (I hate some of those stupid games :))

For the record, my niece is also into Sims2 and uses M$ most of the time.
 
adrianx said:
@ITCynic

A while back, I "forced" my poor old mother to start using Linux, and luckily, she doesn't really know the difference between Windows and Linux. Sometimes, she surprises me when she finds a workaround while I'm trying to "fix" the problem by editing config files, etc. Same applies to my 10 yo niece. She has no prejudice and is quite happy with most of the 20+ educational packages (programs) that I have installed. She takes to Linux like a duck to water. (I hate some of those stupid games :))

For the record, my niece is also into Sims2 and uses M$ most of the time.
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Brilliant. Just goes to show what one can accomplish with the lack of prejudice. Wouldn't it be great if more people were like your mom and niece. I tip my hat to you, well done!
 
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Could someone point me at a KDE virtual machine? Given the number of XP/Vista users with access to Virtual PC or VMWare Player, I would like to open to it the floor as to how much this KDE is like Windows 7/Vista.
 
Speaking as a Kubuntu enthusiast who's been using it for the better part of the last 2 years: KDE4 is crap. Pure, utter total crap. It chews much more resources than KDE3.5 (don't give me that "more-efficient" nonsense, it runs slower on the same rig as 3.5 did), they tried "simulating" many of the effects from Vista (taskbar, widgets, Start menu, etc ad nauseum), but it looks like a cheap Indian copy someone did in Paint while thoroughly high on LSD and Scooter. It's clunky, nothing's in proportion, seriously, I wouldn't be PAID to use this.

Ubuntu? They haven't lost the brown since version 1. As for customising the desktop, pfft, good luck. Nice handling on hardware, though - Plug and Play often has meaning here. But I still wouldn't use it - the brown eventually gets too much.

Despite all my aversions, I've switched to Vista SP1, and damn, I like it. It just _runs_, and when it crashes, it doesn't need to take the whole system with it. And it doesn't need frequent restarts (BitDefender did, but I dumped that b*tch).

Linux definitely still has it's place - in the highly-configurable and low-cost world of web hosting. Also, in those universities and research labs where they have to build their own hardware, then write the software for it? I don't imagine Aero, for instance, being of much use to them.

But for the Average Home User, Windows 7 will definitely rock. People finally learned that they can't keep the hardware they've been using since Windows 95 - it worked on the NT architecture, but it's time to upgrade. New PCs have gotten cheap enough, support plentiful enough, and MS looks like it's finally going to release a solid OS that doesn't require a massive SP a few months down the line.

So as a former Linux evangelist, and heavy desktop user, I have to say, Windows - rock on.
 
Wogan

So it's KDE or nothing... What kind of "evangelist" are you? Maybe you'll see the light when you get hit by a virus. Keep on rocking.
 
Wogan
That the whole thing about Linux you can change the color of everything to what u like.
Well actually u can change the color in windows too. Show just how easy it is!!

By the way i dont like KDE that much GNOME all the way.
 
The day a WinTard can start using a Mandriva/suse/gentoo ubuntu box alongside his win box, or even on dual boot, and be comfortable about it is the day that I will start care about being called a Linux fanboi

ps. This message was composed with FF3.06 running on Win7 which I have up in VMware on a Mandriva2009.0 box.
 
adrianx said:
Wogan

So it's KDE or nothing... What kind of "evangelist" are you? Maybe you'll see the light when you get hit by a virus. Keep on rocking.
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I've run Kubuntu 7.10 through 8.04, Ubuntu 6.04 through 7.10, I've run them both as standalones and as dualboots with XP, I've run DSL, PuppyLinux, I have Xandros on my netbook and both my VPSes are Debian (command-line).

As a daily OS, I prefer Windows, thanks. I don't want to have to argue with my PC every day - got enough crap in my life already, thanks :)
 
JazzeD said:
Wogan
That the whole thing about Linux you can change the color of everything to what u like.
Well actually u can change the color in windows too. Show just how easy it is!!

By the way i dont like KDE that much GNOME all the way.
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Yes, you can change the colors and whatnot, heck, I've spent enough time on KDE-Look and all its sisters to know that. The thing is, I don't want to have to spend so much time just getting a professional and consistent look. People bash Windows because it's paid for, but a lot of that money goes towards some very talented graphic artists and designers, and the end result is a product that looks very neat.

Ok, true, GNOME on first boot is the epitome of simplicity - three menus, two buttons, a clock and a taskbar. But I'm not exactly one to settle for that level of simplicity. I normally have a double (if not triple) taskbar (that's nearly always full), and one heck of a crowded Quicklaunch.

It was easier for me to get that going in KDE than it was in GNOME, and that's why I eventually ended up sticking with it.
 
My laptop came with Vista. It was slow, all my apps crashed and I hated it. I installed Ubuntu on it and love it. It was everything that Vista wasn't - fast, stable and reliable. Then after service pack 1 was released I decided to give Vista a try again and I promptly deleted Ubuntu. Installed the latest drivers for Vista and now it is fast, stable and reliable. Also found out that it was the Mcafee anti virus software that was giving me speed issues and Norton Internet Security 2009 is a speed demon on my machine.

I recently installed the newest version of Ubuntu on my laptop just to give it a go. I tweaked it, installed a decent theme, put all the apps on there that I wanted and ended up just sitting staring at the desktop wondering what I can do on Ubuntu that I couldn't do on Windows? For my needs Vista is decent and I have actually grown to like it. So Ubuntu came off and Vista went back on. I also run Vista on my MSI Wind netbook and it works great. I pushed the RAM up to 2 gigs and everything is going smoothly.

There just doesn't seem to be a point to using Ubuntu for the average user. If you want something that doesn't cost any money then it is great. If you are a developer then it is also cool. If you are an average user that just wants to get some work done then Vista is fine for you...
 
I installed Linux on my mother-in-law's computer because I was so sick and tired of disinfecting it...she just loves clicking every popup or 'virus-checking program' under the sun. Linux simply ignores all that stuff. All she needs is browsing and email.
 
Flint said:
but the quirks in those apps alone are enough that she's begging me to reinstall XP and MS office.
Ubuntu just isn't ready for the average user. It still requires a certain amount of technical know-how just to deal with all the quirks.
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It's called indoctrination, if someone grew up using linux they'd kill you for loading the bloated XP or Vista with MS orifice on their machine.
 
An interesting point that the writer seems to miss, is that while Linux based systems may not be doing so well in the desktop market, they power over 50% of websites.
 
I am tired of paying for a operating system every time I buy new hardware. Microsoft wont get any more money from me. Ubuntu works great !
 
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