Gartner Analysts Warn That Windows Is Collapsing

[milomak]

(save for the entertainment space, Linux doesn't even feature)

you've made such an obscure general statement that you clearly have to make clear what it is exactly you are saying. Are you for instance saying that my MythTv installation that works better than XP MCE is non-existant?

. In combining the two however, windows is king, it's not the best at anything but does everything sufficiently enough that several millions of people clearly could not be bothered with the alternatives.

millions of people do not bother with alternatives because of what the EU has fought so hard for. For instance the browser the issue. The EU has fought for a long time to exclude IE from Windows because it is anti-competitive in the sense that it lets people continue with the status quo.

i would actually love to see your articles if the basic sense of MS and anti-competitiveness is not a concept you can grab a hold of.

 

[ShockG]

I did and its fine... Maybe you are one of the few who can actually let windows users live in peace and not constantly try and prove the superiority of their chosen operating system over windows...

Thing is, if anybody willing to defend windows against a linux user, chances are they'll never change over to Linux no matter how compelling the argument may be. The fact that people here are willing to discuss the semi technical aspects of either operating system makes them non eligible to represent what the apparent masses may feel about each one. Maybe it is just best everybody use what they are most comfortable with.

 

[w1z4rd]

I did and its fine... Maybe you are one of the few who can actually let windows users live in peace and not constantly try and prove the superiority of their chosen operating system over windows...

Dialog is always important, though I should point out to you.. what you are saying is very hypocritical. Its so easy to shout "linux zealot", while forgetting you are a MS fan boy who is debating in the exact same way the nix boys are.

 

[milomak]

w1z4rd, I had hoped he would actually see that in my post about how you could even get zealots who are XP v Vista. Seems he missed that.

And while he will call me a Linux fanboy/zealot, he will fail to see that I tried to ask questions at each point he made a statement. Thus trying to engage him in a conversation about how he felt Linux fell short.

where i failed he can quote me and i can respond.

 

[icyrus]

Linux is not too difficult, it's just buggy, labour intensive, severely incompatible - and as halicon put >> "too dilute".

You don't have a single valid point in that list do you? In fact I think you're not even quite sure what it is you want to say.

They prefer windows so much that even if there is a better product out there, they don't really care which is why they keep buying it no?

How many people buy windows apposed to how many get it preinstalled when they buy a computer?

Where end user operating systems go, interface wise and probably usability wise Mac is superior. On technical prowess* Linux is superior (save for the entertainment space, Linux doesn't even feature). In combining the two however, windows is king, it's not the best at anything but does everything sufficiently enough that several millions of people clearly could not be bothered with the alternatives.

I don't think Apple see OS X as a competitor to windows. They sell it on their hardware only and don't intend to compete directly with windows.

Linux has come a long way, but like you said, it is woeful as a media/entertainment platform for the average user.

 

[ShockG]

i would actually love to see your articles if the basic sense of MS and anti-competitiveness is not a concept you can grab a hold of.

Oh but I am... You know its easy to go for the easy guy Microsoft. Do you know that Intel's practices against AMD and their contorl over the x86 market is far more devastating than those by Microsoft yet nobody dares say anything about them. Simply because it means reading pages upon pages of litigation material, subpoenas and the like. Microsoft is a very easy target but ask yourself the x86 world we live in today was shaped by who and exactly how. It is is dominated by who?

Did you ever ask yourself what happened to the x86 clones from Fairchild, TI, NextGen etc...? IBM's leaving of the x86 alternative industry?
Please, do not accuse me of not being aware of anti-competitive nature of business. (in particular IT) Microsoft is easy because there's someone doing it for you, someone reminding you of how evil Microsoft is all the while something more sinister takes place, but since nobody rallies you for this cause you ignore it.

 

[milomak]

I do actually know that Intel has been very heavy on anti-competitive behaviour.

Was making MS seem like an easy target intended - "You know its easy to go for the easy guy Microsoft"?

 

[milomak]

Simply because it means reading pages upon pages of litigation material, subpoenas and the like. Microsoft is a very easy target but ask yourself the x86 world we live in today was shaped by who and exactly how. It is is dominated by who?

let me ask as a separate question: why do you think AMD has not launched an anti-competitive lawsuit against Intel?

 

[ShockG]

don't think Apple see OS X as a competitor to windows. They sell it on their hardware only and don't intend to compete directly with windows.

well they do actually because they are both selling an experience really. underlying hardware is the same. Both x86 especially since IBM stopped manufacture of the PowerPC.

 

[ShockG]

let me ask as a separate question: why do you think AMD has not launched an anti-competitive lawsuit against Intel?

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but AMD has been in court with Intel for the last decade if not longer on precisely this. - The very reason that you don't know this is proof of what I said above, since nobody is championing it for you, you have no clue about it. So instead you'll go after Microsoft the easy target

 

[milomak]

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but AMD has been in court with Intel for the last decade if not longer on precisely this. - The very reason that you don't know this is proof of what I said above, since nobody is championing it for you, you have no clue about it. So instead you'll go after Microsoft the easy target

that was a very badly worded post - why do you think i don't know AMD has not launched an anti-competitive lawsuit against Intel?

 

[ShockG]

that was a very badly worded post

you are talking about your post right?
August 20th 1991 - Antitrust Litigation (Against Intel)
November 12th -1992 - Intel Business Interference Litigation

 

[milomak]

so you are confirming what i said about a badly worded post? see post 67

 

[Kasyx]

you are talking about your post right?
August 20th 1991 - Antitrust Litigation (Against Intel)
November 12th -1992 - Intel Business Interference Litigation

Again, must I point out the importance of quoting sources? Maybe people will take your arguments more seriously if you actually brought forward some sources as proof to backup claims, rather than apparently pulling facts out of your ass.

I have to agree on the hypocrisy thing, though. Can you seriously not see it? And yes, anti-competitive behaviour is rampant in the IT sector, but this just so happens to be a Microsoft-related thread, so by all means go and start your own thread for Intel-bashing, but do not expect us to "give MS a break" simply because there are other corporations in the same boat. But to humour you a little; yes, Intel may be anti-competitive, however they are not using their anti-competitive behaviour to force a flawed, lower-quality product on the world, nor do the world really have much of a choice; right now, Intel make the best chips (take that, Simba!), so that is who people will buy from. Before the age of the Core 2 Duo, I bought AMD because one got more gaming performance out of it than out of an Intel chip, however things have changed. If AMD were offering a better quality CPU at a fraction of the price, yet could not penetrate the market due to Intel's "anti-competitive behaviour", then you might just have yourself an argument. But that's not really the case, is it? Right now, Intel make a better product, and perhaps if other architectures had shown as much promise as x86, things would have been different.

On another note, do you realise you haven't made a single, conclusive argument as to why Windows is better than Linux, which is odd considering your zealotous fanboy adoration of it.

 

[d0b33]

lol

The linux vs windows threads are becoming far more intense than the PD section these days.

 

[w1z4rd]

Are you sure skeptik and ShockG are not the same person? They both debate in a non-logical, irrational manner, and dont back up anything they say. Either that or this forum is really attracting all types.

 

[w1z4rd]

lol

The linux vs windows threads are becoming far more intense than the PD section these days.

Im sure the mods will add this section to the "New posts" exclusion list soon

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Are you sure skeptik and ShockG are not the same person? They both debate in a non-logical, irrational manner, and dont back up anything they say. Either that or this forum is really attracting all types.

I would go with the all types, not unlike you too ...not?

 

[Kasyx]

I would go with the all types, not unlike you too ...not?

???

string I can words random togetherly, must I can do ... cheese?

 

[d0b33]

???

string I can words random togetherly, must I can do ... cheese?

rofl