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Gartner Analysts Warn That Windows Is Collapsing
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1. How Intel's practices were brought into this debate was milomak's comment below
In response to that, I highlighted Intel's dealings and lawsuits from more than a decade ago... The post was to make milomak aware that he's insinuation that I may be unfamiliar about anti-competitiveness in the industry is wrong. It is obvious that you have missed that, but then again this debate itself is malformed because of the general ignorance in this thread.
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Once again you are terribly mistaken due to your ignorance and assumption that the rest of us are as ill-informed as you are. I urge you to rethink what you type...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/27/Intel-breaching-European-antitrust-rules_1.html
This is filed under Civil Action No: 05-441 and the document is freely available on the net as well. I hope this is up to your standards
Best chips at what? When AMD made the highest performance/per watt chip on the market (2002-2006), people still bought Intel based machines and that was because of their business practices which have kept them in court for decades. With the Core2 Duo nothing changed business wise, its the technology that caught up to AMD's and surpassed it. You are probably not aware of this but online and traditional brick and mortar stores have majority of their customers buying computers based on many other factors over and above which CPU is inside. If said user was concerned with the performance of the chip they would have bought the AMD powered machines only, but they didn't. - At this time I don't think you are equipped to have a debate on the anti-competitive nature of the semi conductor industry. Not surprising, since there isn't someone spoon feeding it to you like it is when it comes to Microsoft.
They did. If you are not aware of it your lovely Core 2 Duo is more a RISC CPU than it is the traditional CISC that bore the x86 instruction set. With every addition SSE, MMX, IA-64 and the like it is closely resembling what backers of the RISC products were saying all along. The most powerful parallel processors today are RISC processors which are able to emulate to some degree pure x86 code... There's a reason why NVIDIA acquired an x86 license yet they make RISC processors only. As I said before you're not equipped to have a debate about the intricacies of the semi-conductor business...
At no point did I say Windows is better than Linux. However I will tell you this. Windows is a better gaming platform than Linux by far. Do you care to disagree?
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killadoob
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another lame windows bashing thread by Wizard
WD wizard it amazes me how linux okes bash windows so often hahaha
shame dont worry your operating system should get another 80% increase this year and move up to 2.91% market share then you can post about this massive increase again and go show your granny who loves linux so much
WD wizard it amazes me how linux okes bash windows so often hahaha
shame dont worry your operating system should get another 80% increase this year and move up to 2.91% market share
then you can post about this massive increase again and go show your granny who loves linux so much Agree with you 100%, windows is the best gaming console ever
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Ivan...
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oh and collapsed windows can be restored or maximised (right click on the toolbar, and select "maximise", or press ctrl+alt+del and click on task manager, right click on the relevant application and select"bring to front")
...autobots can also be maximised.
killadoob
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dude i knock linux everytime u knock windows
i have never started thread after thread of windows sucks rubbish
get over yourself and stop bashing windows
if you call me telling ppl that photoshop and games dont work on linux as bashing then i seriously think you need your head read
so take your swearing and naming calling attitude to another forum who actually give a crap about linux and bash windows all day
why it wizard you can bash windows all you want but when i point that you keep doing it and linux is not better because it cannot run games and alot of graphics programs im called a retard and a f&k
i dont recall every saying such nasty thing to you when u stood up for linux
Peace
i have never started thread after thread of windows sucks rubbish
get over yourself and stop bashing windows
if you call me telling ppl that photoshop and games dont work on linux as bashing then i seriously think you need your head read
so take your swearing and naming calling attitude to another forum who actually give a crap about linux and bash windows all day
why it wizard you can bash windows all you want but when i point that you keep doing it and linux is not better because it cannot run games and alot of graphics programs im called a retard and a f&k
i dont recall every saying such nasty thing to you when u stood up for linux
Peace
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This is what happens when someone is brought up in the Microsoft world. Without Microsoft Word to handle their punctuation, children come out like killadoob.
I am trying to find a post where wizard bashed microsoft (other than the OP which seems like a fair topic). I notice a lot of linux defending, but I do not see the "windows bashing" in this thread.
1. How Intel's practices were brought into this debate was milomak's comment below
In response to that, I highlighted Intel's dealings and lawsuits from more than a decade ago... The post was to make milomak aware that he's insinuation that I may be unfamiliar about anti-competitiveness in the industry is wrong. It is obvious that you have missed that, but then again this debate itself is malformed because of the general ignorance in this thread.
2.
Once again you are terribly mistaken due to your ignorance and assumption that the rest of us are as ill-informed as you are. I urge you to rethink what you type...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/27/Intel-breaching-European-antitrust-rules_1.html
This is filed under Civil Action No: 05-441 and the document is freely available on the net as well. I hope this is up to your standards
Best chips at what? When AMD made the highest performance/per watt chip on the market (2002-2006), people still bought Intel based machines and that was because of their business practices which have kept them in court for decades. With the Core2 Duo nothing changed business wise, its the technology that caught up to AMD's and surpassed it. You are probably not aware of this but online and traditional brick and mortar stores have majority of their customers buying computers based on many other factors over and above which CPU is inside. If said user was concerned with the performance of the chip they would have bought the AMD powered machines only, but they didn't. - At this time I don't think you are equipped to have a debate on the anti-competitive nature of the semi conductor industry. Not surprising, since there isn't someone spoon feeding it to you like it is when it comes to Microsoft.
They did. If you are not aware of it your lovely Core 2 Duo is more a RISC CPU than it is the traditional CISC that bore the x86 instruction set. With every addition SSE, MMX, IA-64 and the like it is closely resembling what backers of the RISC products were saying all along. The most powerful parallel processors today are RISC processors which are able to emulate to some degree pure x86 code... There's a reason why NVIDIA acquired an x86 license yet they make RISC processors only. As I said before you're not equipped to have a debate about the intricacies of the semi-conductor business...
At no point did I say Windows is better than Linux. However I will tell you this. Windows is a better gaming platform than Linux by far. Do you care to disagree?
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise this thread suddenly became all about semi-conductors... Oh wait, it didn't, you are just out of your depth when it comes to the topic at hand, so instead you attempt to debate something you have a reasonable knowledge on so as to appear smarter. You go right on ahead calling me ignorant, as I'm sure it must reflect upon yourself so positively.
You are taking your knowledge of a completely different field and attempting vainly to apply it to something you seem to have very little kowledge about in the first place. I bet the anti-competitive behaviour shown by Microsoft can be seen in companies like General Motors as well, but that doesn't mean that I am going to start a debate with my mechanic. To be perfectly honest (and I think I speak for a majority of the people involved in this thread), I have obsolutely no idea what stance you take in this argument in the first place. I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with my comprehension as I seem to get the gist of the ramblings of the religious fanatics in the PD section, so it appears it rather has to do with the fact that you yourself are not sure what stance you take.
Why would I disagree that Windows is the best gaming platform? That is pretty much a fact, although it is not by the merits of Windows itself that it is labelled as such. Linux is just as capable, if not more so, than Windows. However, Linux doesn't have a corporate giant behind it throwing money at gaming companies to develop games purely for it.
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Moto Guzzi
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But this is the problem-Orginizational
""Quote:
Originally Posted by Moto Guzzi
Opensource are a recipe for disaster and chaos.....later on.
What a bunch of drivel, open source is the future if you want to accept it or not. Any programmer worth his salt will tell you so, Linux fanboy or not.
You'll find the only people who appose it are A) Corporate heads or B) Idiots who have been brainwashed by corporate heads to believe it is a bad thing. If you've actually ever written your own program and actually know what you are doing then you'd know how frustrating it is to discover a bug in a program and not be able to fix it because of closed source, simply one of the benefits of open source.""
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"Every programmer"...But this is the problem with Open Source...Every Tom, Dick and Harry is now a programmer and program they program.
The programmers try to control the world, instead of being subjective to those who know identified subjects, directions.
Thats why I say chaos is the future then.
A programmer is like a tool in flesh, not the originater of workable concepts.
Therefore Microsoft has it's originators and programmers, while Open Source just got everything mimicked in a slightly different way with most irrating defaults as a result.
Me as a consumer, don't want to continiously fight a system, we just want to use it.
If Open Source could ever manage to get it's house in order, I move over....
Microsoft is not perfect, but it is strctured, and fights an onslaught too.
""Quote:
Originally Posted by Moto Guzzi
Opensource are a recipe for disaster and chaos.....later on.
What a bunch of drivel, open source is the future if you want to accept it or not. Any programmer worth his salt will tell you so, Linux fanboy or not.
You'll find the only people who appose it are A) Corporate heads or B) Idiots who have been brainwashed by corporate heads to believe it is a bad thing. If you've actually ever written your own program and actually know what you are doing then you'd know how frustrating it is to discover a bug in a program and not be able to fix it because of closed source, simply one of the benefits of open source.""
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"Every programmer"...But this is the problem with Open Source...Every Tom, Dick and Harry is now a programmer and program they program.
The programmers try to control the world, instead of being subjective to those who know identified subjects, directions.
Thats why I say chaos is the future then.
A programmer is like a tool in flesh, not the originater of workable concepts.
Therefore Microsoft has it's originators and programmers, while Open Source just got everything mimicked in a slightly different way with most irrating defaults as a result.
Me as a consumer, don't want to continiously fight a system, we just want to use it.
If Open Source could ever manage to get it's house in order, I move over....
Microsoft is not perfect, but it is strctured, and fights an onslaught too.
Fact : Windows is being used more because very few people know how to use open source software
i can build a pc and (im not a complete idiot with PCs) BUT i prefer windows because every thing runs on it without me having to spend 3 hours having to try and figure out how to!
Now if some nice people would write some nice operating system that my mom, grand-ma, grandfather, bloke who sees PC for the first time, ect ect can use with ease that will change.
Until then it wont and windows will be the nr 1 choice.
NOTE: I also dont like windows....But neither do i like Robert mugabe...but they are both in the driving seat atm
i can build a pc and (im not a complete idiot with PCs) BUT i prefer windows because every thing runs on it without me having to spend 3 hours having to try and figure out how to!
Now if some nice people would write some nice operating system that my mom, grand-ma, grandfather, bloke who sees PC for the first time, ect ect can use with ease that will change.
Until then it wont and windows will be the nr 1 choice.
NOTE: I also dont like windows....But neither do i like Robert mugabe...but they are both in the driving seat atm
Please explain how you came to the conclusion that open source needs to get its house in order. You are sadly mistaken if you think that only MS developers can program.
I'm not even going to touch the rest of that post, it's too far gone to bother with it.
Fact : Windows is being used more because very few people know how to use open source software
i can build a pc and (im not a complete idiot with PCs) BUT i prefer windows because every thing runs on it without me having to spend 3 hours having to try and figure out how to!
Now if some nice people would write some nice operating system that my mom, grand-ma, grandfather, bloke who sees PC for the first time, ect ect can use with ease that will change.
Until then it wont and windows will be the nr 1 choice.
NOTE: I also dont like windows....But neither do i like Robert mugabe...but they are both in the driving seat atm
Your "fact" is a false premise. Open source does not mean Linux. Are you trying to tell us that people don't know how to use Mozilla Firefox or OpenOffice?
Windows will be the no. 1 (desktop) choice as long as people choose to ignore the alternatives. The situation is worsened by people, even the technically inclined, offering insights based on 2nd hand information and their own limited experience with alternatives to Windows.
HA HA LOL, this statement alone proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Coincidentally Microsoft isn't the only software company out there, most technology used on computers today originates from IBM, which you might not have noticed run many open source projects. Same goes for Sun Microsystems.
Before actually trying to argue a point do some research and come up with some facts.
I think you are one of those people who confuse concepts such as Open Source, freeware and Microsoft VS Linux as being the same thing, when it is obviously something completely different.
EDIT: Actually after re-reading your post I no longer Think you are one of those people I KNOW you are. (check the line above).
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d0b33
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Linux is the perfect OS for the average user who doesnt game, writes emails, surfs the net occasionally visiting social sites, listen to music, watch videos, view pictures and do some simple office typing which is the majority of PC users I'm sure.
My aunt's one of them but I have not been able to convince her to use linux yet.
My aunt's one of them but I have not been able to convince her to use linux yet.
1) is windows the most used operating system or not world wide currently? yes or no (no buts ifs or ahhhhs)
2) can your gran - ma install then use firefox? can she download openoffice and use it?
a 70-something person isnt going to learn how to use opensource when they have spent 4 years learning how to type print ectect in windows...
dont become acescent if i state some nice reasonable things on here......
You seem to suffer under the illusion that Open Office can only be downloaded when you can obtain the installation CD's in stores these days. Microsoft just has more exposure because of their operating system. Most people trust a name they know and since they are already using Windows (and usually think it's the best) they think Microsoft's other products will be equally great (in their minds).
I'm not for or against any Operating System, in fact kudos to the people who created Linux, OSX and Windows, I think people don't really understand just how much goes into it, but software wise I think Microsoft only has a few great products those being Windows, Visual C++ and SQL Server. The rest just don't shine compared to alternatives, my 2c.
ok ill answer 1) for you so long.........
Desktop OS market share
as of January, 2008[1]
Windows - 91.46%
Mac - 7.57%
Linux - 0.67%
SunOS - 0.01%
Other - 0.29%
These tables compare general and technical information for a number of widely used and currently available operating systems.
you going to answer 2) or must i do that as well?
or are you going to learn to read the post before being a sour grape ?
it doesnt take a genius to know that im talking about operating systems.....so dont take this whole thing out of context please
Desktop OS market share
as of January, 2008[1]
Windows - 91.46%
Mac - 7.57%
Linux - 0.67%
SunOS - 0.01%
Other - 0.29%
These tables compare general and technical information for a number of widely used and currently available operating systems.
you going to answer 2) or must i do that as well?
or are you going to learn to read the post before being a sour grape ?
it doesnt take a genius to know that im talking about operating systems.....so dont take this whole thing out of context please
(1) Nevermind the "no buts ifs or ahhhhs". I called you on your incorrect "fact". I never disputed Windows dominance *on the desktop*.
(2) Yes. Apparently some people that "can build a pc" manage too.
Rather try stating actual verifiable facts and people won't be "acescent" with you.
ok ill answer 1) for you so long.........
Desktop OS market share
as of January, 2008[1]
Windows - 91.46%
Mac - 7.57%
Linux - 0.67%
SunOS - 0.01%
Other - 0.29%
These tables compare general and technical information for a number of widely used and currently available operating systems.
you going to answer 2) or must i do that as well?
or are you going to learn to read the post before being a sour grape ?
it doesnt take a genius to know that im talking about operating systems.....so dont take this whole thing out of context please
Er, perhaps it would be wise to wait for an actual answer before making a fool of yourself.
I think you're managing quite well at taking things out of context without any lessons from me.
Next.