General Plasma & LCD discussions

[Zenbaas]

Strange the only one replying and recommending the plasma here is you then.

It's difficult to discuss these things with people who have already won the internetz. PPP just seems to have much more energy than the rest of us. That and I'm busy enjoying my 50" in the lounge instead of replying to most of the BS going on in here

 

[PostmanPot]

Case in point #1.

More incoming.

Zen, feel free to give us some info from your experiences with 50" PS50C4xx when you have some energy. What I'd love to know is what your viewing distance is, and whether 720p HD content appears pixelated or not, as Tim is claiming? :wtf:

 

[Roman4604]

Please educate me

This was in reference to your incessant use of the term pixel phreak. You cannot keep talking about picture quality while disregarding resolution.

Focus (clarity, sharpness of vision) is the most apparent aspect of human eyesight. Colour appreciation/differentation does also play a big part but without focus its importance is negated.

More resolution = more focus, but if your eyesight is not up to scratch, you wont be able to perceive this.

 

[PostmanPot]

I must be off, but I call BS on equating focus with resolution.

I understand your concept, disagree with your explanation and comparison. Yes, uncomfortably up close a higher resolution will be clearer. From aback at the usual sorts of viewing distances you find in home, it's a different story. This is not just something I state, it's something widely accepted by experts, even on this very forum. If you're looking for answers, I suggest PMing TYR - he is quiet these days, but is definitely the best educated in home theatre. Just another example of the experts not telling a difference between FHD and HD at viewing distances further than the above chart.

You're getting off lightly by me using the term "pixel phreak" with your incessant whining about how important resolution is in light of so many others trying to tell you it's not as important as you think it is. Unless you sit close. I forgot the company that released the original guidelines for viewing distance/resolution/screen size. Might have been THX, although I know they are mainly into sound. One of those companies. Feel free to Google in my absence.

Cheers

 

[Tim182]

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You're getting off lightly by me using the term "pixel phreak" with your incessant whining about how important resolution is in light of so many others trying to tell you it's not as important as you think it is.
Cheers

Its just you really...

 

[PostmanPot]

Come on Tim, read around, stick around more, see the HD vs FHD thread etc..

 

[Roman4604]

Unless you sit close.

Well how close one has to set to perceive the differences in 1920x1080 vs 1280x720 resolution is completely dependant on ones eyesight. Someone with poor eyesight will have to sit close while someone with better vision can sit further back and still be able to perceive the differences.

It also depends on the quality of the input signal and whats actually being displayed. On some scenes it is difficult to distinguish but on others its more noticeable i.e. closeups where one can distiguish more surface detail and texturing leading to a more lifelike image. This after all is what the pursuit of HD (more resolution) is all about.

 

[PostmanPot]

I'm sure who ever, whether THX or some other home theatre/cinema standards company, released the original guidelines for viewing distance/resolution/size took that into account, Roman. I do not disagree with you. Have a Google, you will see the chart mentioned all all over, especially on the most popular HD TV advice sites. They are not saying there will be no difference as soon as you're out of the recommended distance, they are saying there will be less of a difference.

 

[Tim182]

I'm sure who ever, whether THX or some other home theatre/cinema standards company, released the original guidelines for viewing distance/resolution/size took that into account, Roman. I do not disagree with you. Have a Google, you will see the chart mentioned all all over, especially on the most popular HD TV advice sites. They are not saying there will be no difference as soon as you're out of the recommended distance, they are saying there will be less of a difference.

According to your THX recommended chart you still get the full benefit of FHD for a 51" at 2.15 meters. Just a thought... Of course you'll be spending the next hour figuring out a reply how this doesn't matter...

 

[Tim182]

Come on Tim, read around, stick around more, see the HD vs FHD thread etc..

Still only you

 

[PostmanPot]

According to your THX recommended chart you still get the full benefit of FHD for a 51" at 2.15 meters. Just a thought... Of course you'll be spending the next hour figuring out a reply how this doesn't matter...

Perhaps read my posts better? I have always maintained that 32" = 1m, 42" = 1.5m and 50" = 2m. Nothing to rave about, soz.

 

[Tim182]

I have very good eyesight and 51D490 looked slightly pixelated to me up to 2.5m. Therefore crap TV for FHD.

Looked at the 51D550 today. Now that's a nice TV . If you sold that to people I would agree, but not the 4 series... What a difference! Only thing the 4 series is good for is DSTV in a dark room

 

[PostmanPot]

I have very good eyesight and 51D490 looked slightly pixelated to me up to 2.5m. Therefore crap TV for FHD.

Why would anyone advocate a 720p TV specifically for 1080p content?

Looked at the 51D550 today. Now that's a nice TV . If you sold that to people I would agree, but not the 4 series... What a difference! Only thing the 4 series is good for is DSTV in a dark room

How wrong you are. Dosens of forumites compared it - 1024x768 rectangular pixelled 720p 42" plasma - to the LA40C530 at 720p and below content, and chose the plasma. Why is this? There are literally 20 owners that I know of on this forum who did the comparison. This proves you're talking out your backside. 1 vs 20.

Remember, people also have budgets. 42" entry plasma beats 40" entry LCD at 720p and below, specifically SD and motion where it's a resounding victory. The experts themselves recommend plasma over LCD at the entry level. Deal with it.

One more thing. PS43D4xx are now true 720p. 1024x768 has been done away with. Ouch!

 

[Tim182]

Why would anyone advocate a 720p TV specifically for 1080p content?

Good question, why do YOU?

How wrong you are. Dosens of forumites compared it - 1024x768 rectangular pixelled 720p 42" plasma - to the LA40C530 at 720p and below content, and chose the plasma. Why is this? There are literally 20 owners that I know of on this forum who did the comparison. This proves you're talking out your backside. 1 vs 20.

Remember, people also have budgets. 42" entry plasma beats 40" entry LCD at 720p and below, specifically SD and motion where it's a resounding victory. The experts themselves recommend plasma over LCD at the entry level. Deal with it.

No, how wrong you are. 40" 5 series LCD beats the PS43D4XX at anything expect DSTV in a dark room. I know 654123545785834 people who share my opinion

 

[PostmanPot]

Good question, why do YOU?

Again showing your lack of comprehension. Prove it.

No, how wrong you are. 40" 5 series LCD beats the PS43D4XX at anything expect DSTV in a dark room. I know 654123545785834 people who share my opinion

Then they are as wrong as you are.

Even people specially looking for the best picture quality for HD rips via a HD media player chose the plasma over 40" Series 5. The older 1024x768 plasma nogal. Go figure.

 

[Tim182]

Again showing your lack of comprehension. Prove it.

Forgive my ignorance for I have spoken in Plasma's vain. Waste of time arguing with people like you

Then they are as wrong as you are.

Even people specially looking for the best picture quality for HD rips via a HD media player chose the plasma over 40" Series 5. The older 1024x768 plasma nogal. Go figure.

Again, forgive my ignorance for I have spoken in Plasma's vain. Since you know soooo much please also give me advice on what car, cellphone and even house to buy!

Now go sit on your couch play with your balls, enjoy your McDonalds lunch and watch your little screen.

 

[sn3rd]

Why would anyone advocate a 720p TV specifically for 1080p content?



How wrong you are. Dosens of forumites compared it - 1024x768 rectangular pixelled 720p 42" plasma - to the LA40C530 at 720p and below content, and chose the plasma. Why is this? There are literally 20 owners that I know of on this forum who did the comparison. This proves you're talking out your backside. 1 vs 20.

Remember, people also have budgets. 42" entry plasma beats 40" entry LCD at 720p and below, specifically SD and motion where it's a resounding victory. The experts themselves recommend plasma over LCD at the entry level. Deal with it.

One more thing. PS43D4xx are now true 720p. 1024x768 has been done away with. Ouch!

Actually, 1024 x 768 was one of the good things about plasma; it's part of the reason why some SD content displays better on those plasmas.

 

[PostmanPot]

Forgive my ignorance for I have spoken in Plasma's vain. Waste of time arguing with people like you

Simple solution is to rather not lie about what others say. Dirty tactics.

Again, forgive my ignorance for I have spoken in Plasma's vain. Since you know soooo much please also give me advice on what car, cellphone and even house to buy!

Now go sit on your couch play with your balls, enjoy your McDonalds lunch and watch your little screen.

Eish. Great show of maturity. Rather don't engage with me if you are going to get into a huff and puff. Come talk to me once you have the sheer numbers that I do - no better way to prove a point than numbers of buyers. I reiterate, numbers of buyers comparing PS42C4xx and LA40C5xx is vastly in plasma's favour. Understand it, accept that the LCD's only benefit is for 1080p content (at lower picture quality), and accept the facts. Stick around on this forum, it will all be made clear after a while.

Good day.

 

[PostmanPot]

Actually, 1024 x 768 was one of the good things about plasma; it's part of the reason why some SD content displays better on those plasmas.

To which point are you replying? I agree with you on that, makes perfect sense. True 720p plasma's are also forgiving to SD content.

The other reason being that picture quality (blacks, colours, motion) is simply better on entry plasma than entry LCD. Entry LCD's only advantage is resolution, if you need the pixels, sit close to the TV to get the full benefit of FHD, etc.

 

[Tim182]

Simple solution is to rather not lie about what others say. Dirty tactics.

You said it yourself...

Eish. Great show of maturity. Rather don't engage with me if you are going to get into a huff and puff. Come talk to me once you have the sheer numbers that I do - no better way to prove a point than numbers of buyers. I reiterate, numbers of buyers comparing PS42C4xx and LA40C5xx is vastly in plasma's favour. Understand it, accept that the LCD's only benefit is for 1080p content (at lower picture quality), and accept the facts. Stick around on this forum, it will all be made clear after a while.

Good day.

Someone has no sense of humour, does he? I could say the same to you, understand it and accept it. I stand by my points and that won't change. I don't care what you think, its your choice. And its also your own problem that you can't live with the fact that other people don't share your opinion. Ever considered that there is more than one answer? Of course not, because you believe that you, and you only are right. PostmanPot, the king of TVs.