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Pegasus said:
That's what sparked white supremacy. Identity politics focusses on race, gender and wealth (mostly) but leave white males out because of "privilege". So some white people either bend the knee and accept it, or go into depression. Or they form their own team.

Douglas Murray explains it better than I can.

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Ok, so white supremacy didn't exist before that?
 
Pegasus said:
That's what sparked white supremacy. Identity politics focusses on race, gender and wealth (mostly) but leave white males out because of "privilege". So some white people either bend the knee and accept it, or go into depression. Or they form their own team.

Douglas Murray explains it better than I can.

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Always a good day when Murray is dropping knowledge.
 
Pegasus said:
That's what sparked white supremacy. Identity politics focusses on race, gender and wealth (mostly) but leave white males out because of "privilege". So some white people either bend the knee and accept it, or go into depression. Or they form their own team.

Douglas Murray explains it better than I can.

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Even the phrase "white supremacy" has been hijacked and distorted , this is what SJW crowds do , they misappropriate words and continue to use them in the wrong manner until it becomes the norm.
 
Vorastra said:
Black people have the exact same rights as white people in the US. The difference being that they commit more crimes and are "interacting" with police at a higher rate because they are more likely to commit crimes.
Should probably get rid of that gang mentality.
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So how do you explain that even though white and black Americans consume marijuana at roughly the same rate black Americans are 3.64 times more likely to be arrested for possession.
 
cerebus said:
It's right there on the first sentence of the Wikipedia entry:

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All Lives Matter (#AllLivesMatter) is a slogan that has come to be associated with criticism[1] of the Black Lives Matter movement.[2]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter#cite_note-2

Yes, it is an oppositional view, and those views are clearly expressed here in the same Wiki,

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All Lives Matter - Wikipedia

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According to professor David Theo Goldberg, "All Lives Matter" reflects a view of "racial dismissal, ignoring, and denial".[17] On Real Time with Bill Maher, Bill Maher expressed support for use of the "Black Lives Matter" phrase, stating that "'All Lives Matter' implies that all lives are equally at risk, and they're not".[18] Founders of the Black Lives Matter movement have responded to criticism of the movement's exclusivity, saying, "#BlackLivesMatter doesn't mean your life isn't important – it means that Black lives, which are seen without value within White supremacy, are important to your liberation."[19]

In a video interview with Laura Flanders, Black Lives Matter movement co-founder Alicia Garza said that "changing Black Lives Matter to All Lives Matter is a demonstration of how we don't actually understand structural racism in this country". She went on to say that other lives are valued more than black lives, and that to take blackness out of this equation is inappropriate.[20]

President Barack Obama spoke to the debate between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter.[21] Obama said, "I think that the reason that the organizers used the phrase Black Lives Matter was not because they were suggesting that no one else's lives matter ... rather what they were suggesting was there is a specific problem that is happening in the African-American community that's not happening in other communities." He also said "that is a legitimate issue that we've got to address."[22]

In July 2016, USA Today concluded from the thoughts of Columbia University sociology professor Carla Shedd, that the phrase "'All Lives Matter' can actually be interpreted as racist". It also cited professor Joe Feagin, who said that white people use the phrase "All Lives Matter" to ignore the Black Lives Matter movement, which he described as "already about liberty and justice for all." USA Today reported that some celebrities who had tweeted using the hashtag #AllLivesMatter, including Jennifer Lopez and Fetty Wap, had deleted the tweets and apologized. Wap stated that he did not fully understand the hashtag.[24] It also mentioned cartoonist Kris Straub, who tweeted a cartoon titled "All Houses Matter", showing a house fire, to illustrate what he saw as the problem with the term.[23]
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Funny, the "All Houses Matter" remark which is currently, again, widely memed is suppose to be a statistical probability given the circumstance. I believe this is a topic which was explored in I, Robot. Anyway.

The USA is ethnically diverse and does have many minority groups and I am sure they also have their unique problems within their respective communities.

I have now realised that my view, or may I say my expression, is disallowed by you and by those who advocate it as such. Sad.

cerebus said:
What does racial violence have to do with that statement?
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Practice as you preach. It is an idiom, another expression as you will. Many who have been attacked in the unrest have called on their own lives, black, white, everyone, including animals. All lives. As I have said previously I do understand the BLM cause, but to continue,

cerebus said:
You're the one using gross generalizations. Most protesters and blm supporters aren't violent.
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Okay... some protesters and BLM supporters are violent.

Yes, I understand the BLM cause and I don't disagree with their mission, but I do disagree with the crime which includes various opportunists taking advantage and that also undermines the cause.
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Quite a gross generalisation I have made there. Not sure where, but you sure do. Care to point it out?

cerebus said:
Oh there's plenty of electoral ignition coming from Trump right now....
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The only argument we agree with.

All I am against is the crime which is also cause to 'other' peoples and animal rights being violated, and yes, it is about time BLM is heard within the appropriate assembly, but to enable that everyone must be coherent.
 
TysonRoux said:
Yes, you're right they do, on paper.

But that is not what you see in reality, and the reason for the below protests that started in 2016 and continue today.

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On paper and in real life. Just because the media fans that idiotic flame, doesn't make it real. Do not commit crimes disproportionately and nothing will happen. Why is it always black people who seem to have an issue in the US? Why not any others? The Chinese were used as slave-labour in the US for a long time too, and yet they are not being arrested or "harassed" at a higher rate? In fact, they're at a lower rate than white people, even with covid.
Literally the only reason this Floyd thing is about racism is because that's how the media wanted to push it.
Can you not see it? Think about it, what makes what happened inherently racist? If the article was completely devoid of demonyms, would this have received the same attention?
The media is playing everyone purely to make an extra buck.
 
Decision made on charges for officers in Floyd case

Attorney General Keith Ellison will make a significant announcement in the case early this afternoon, an official said


The Minnesota Attorney General's office has finished its initial review of evidence in the investigation of four former Minneapolis Police officers involved in the killing of George Floyd and has rendered a decision regarding additional charges, two law enforcement officials briefed on the state's investigation told CNN.

One of the officials said state Attorney General Keith Ellison will be making a significant announcement in the case early this afternoon. The officials would not reveal what the decision was.

Three now-former officers can be seen on video on top of Floyd during his killing on May 25. Derek Chauvin, who had his knee pressed into Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes, has been charged with third-degree murder and second-degre manslaughter.

Former officers Thomas Lane and J.A. Keung, who helped restrain Floyd, and a fourth former officer, Tou Thao, who stood near the others, have not yet been charged.
Two autopsies of Floyd determined that he died by homicide.
 
EADC said:
So how do you explain that even though white and black Americans consume marijuana at roughly the same rate black Americans are 3.64 times more likely to be arrested for possession.
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Gang mentally and culture. Fatherless households. Just general crime.

It's BS that people are arrested for marijuana at all, but it doesn't stand alone. It's easy for the police to get someone on possession when they're actually looking for something else.
 
rietrot said:
Gang mentally and culture. Fatherless households. Just general crime.

It's BS that people are arrested for marijuana at all, but it doesn't stand alone. It's easy for the police to get someone on possession when they're actually looking for something else.
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So you agree that police target black people for minor offences.
 
EADC said:
So you agree that police target black people for minor offences.
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No. They will get any criminal of any race on a minor offense if they can. Like they got the Mafia guy on tax evasion. I don't get your obsession with race.

Black people just have more interactions with police. So they get caught more
 
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EADC said:
So how do you explain that even though white and black Americans consume marijuana at roughly the same rate black Americans are 3.64 times more likely to be arrested for possession.
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Give me stats of MJ consumption/possession per capita by race and MJ-based arrest statistics for a specific area, and I will come to a conclusion. Off the top of my head: Again, could they be 3.64 times the arrest rate compared to whites because they are interacting with police at a much higher rate due to the very real black-based crime rates?

If I'm a stretched-thin police force, which is literally every police force, then I'm going to focus on statistics that show me who to target.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Ok, so white supremacy didn't exist before that?
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Why would you say that?

All sorts of races reckon they are the best, check out Japanese, Chinese and Korean history for instance.

Personally my favourite race is whatever the Rock is. Maori or Polynesian not sure.
If I could choose to be one that would be it.
 
Vorastra said:
Give me stats of MJ consumption/possession per capita by race and MJ-based arrest statistics for a specific area, and I will come to a conclusion. Off the top of my head: Again, could they be 3.64 times the arrest rate compared to whites because they are interacting with police at a much higher rate due to the very real black-based crime rates?
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Then you have to explain the sentence disparities...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC).

These disparities were observed “after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors,” including age, education, citizenship, weapon possession and prior criminal history.

A 2014 University of Michigan Law School study, for instance, found that all other factors being equal, black offenders were 75 percent more likely to face a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence than a white offender who committed the same crime.
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Pegasus said:
Why would you say that?

All sorts of races reckon they are the best, check out Japanese, Chinese and Korean history for instance.

Personally my favourite race is whatever the Rock is. Maori or Polynesian not sure.
If I could choose to be one that would be it.
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I don't know. Don't their women also look a bit too much like the Rock?
 
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