George Floyd death

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rietrot said:
Definitely. Floyd is clearly drunk/high out of his mind. The police struggle to get him in the car and because of that the one macho man decides he is going to drag him out the other side again to teach him a lesson and basically purposely try and hurt him.
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The autopsy did not show enough trauma on his next to asphyxiate him. Well all is speculation, will see how it plays out.
 
Vorastra said:
So guys, why are we not talking about the autopsy report that shows the knee to the back of the neck caused no injuries to the strap muscles of the neck. Did not affect the throat/wind pipe. The brain showed no signs of hypoxia. It was concluded that there were no physical injuries that attributed to Floyd's death. Stress from the act of being arrested coupled with his heart condition as well as meth and fentanyl caused his death.

He believed he couldn't breathe because he was having a heart attack due to drugs and a weak heart.
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And corona virus. When you get corona let us know so we can come kneel on your shoulder/neck for a bit :p

When someone says "I can't breathe" they're actually just kidding around :D
 
Vrotappel said:
The autopsy did not show enough trauma on his next to asphyxiate him. Well all is speculation, will see how it plays out.
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There was also no sign of hypoxia in the brain.
It's not that the autopsy didn't show ENOUGH trauma. It showed there was NO trauma.
 
Brenden_E said:
I'm all for removing guns from society. But in America they need it - might go to war with each other any second!
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I am not about removing guns from society, I am just asking why people who say they are going to use it to cause harm and overthrow the government are allowed to keep it? Surely these people fail the psychological valuation?
 
STS said:
And corona virus. When you get corona let us know so we can come kneel on your shoulder/neck for a bit :p

When someone says "I can't breathe" they're actually just kidding around :D
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Funny you should say that, you should watch a few episodes of Cops on youtube and see how often that excuse gets used to make a runner.
 
STS said:
And corona virus. When you get corona let us know so we can come kneel on your shoulder/neck for a bit :p

When someone says "I can't breathe" they're actually just kidding around :D
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Also, why are you ignoring what the autopsy report says?
He had a heart attack. Do you know what some of the feelings of having a heart attack are? Feeling as if you can't breathe even though you can.

Bud, I get that point. I can show you an entire YouTube channel of US police chest cam where people being arrested make up all sorts of excuses. That's what I'm saying. If you have people pretending all day while you're making arrests, why do you pay attention to this random guy you're arresting?
 
Vrotappel said:
The autopsy did not show enough trauma on his next to asphyxiate him. Well all is speculation, will see how it plays out.
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Irrelevant if he was actually choked to death. The police still used excessive force that was unnecessary.

Why did the guy pull him out of the police car and pinned him to the ground? Just for fun. They shouldn't do that. It is police heavy handedness/police brutality.
 
Vorastra said:
Also, why are you ignoring what the autopsy report says?
He had a heart attack. Do you know what some of the feelings of having a heart attack are? Feeling as if you can't breathe even though you can.

Bud, I get that point. I can show you an entire YouTube channel of US police chest cam where people being arrested make up all sorts of excuses. That's what I'm saying. If you have people pretending all day while you're making arrests, why do you pay attention to this random guy you're arresting?
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I am saying having a heart attack while someone is kneeling on you isn't good either. Guy was dying, you can see it in the video, divorced cuck sits there with his hands in his pocket
 
rietrot said:
Why did the guy pull him out of the police car and pinned him to the ground? Just for fun. They shouldn't do that. It is police heavy handedness/police brutality.
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This is the only remaining issue for me as we have zero video of what happened in the back of the car. Why do we default to the policeman doing it for esses and gees? Floyd was shown to be resisting before they put him in the car, as he didn't want to get in the car as he was apparently claustrophobic as well as his tightness of breath from his heart condition that you can see triggers early on before they pull him out again.

We don't know what Floyd was doing in the car. We can assume that because he resisted when entering the car, that he was resisting while in the car. It's not abnormal for a policeman to pull them out again and subdue them further to calm them down.
 
Vorastra said:
This is the only remaining issue for me. Why do we default to the policeman doing it for esses and gees? Floyd was shown to be resisting as he didn't want to get in the car as he was apparently claustrophobic as well as his tightness of breath from his heart condition that you can see triggers early on before they pull him out again.

We don't know what Floyd was doing in the car. We can assume that because he resisted when entering the car, that he was resisting while in the car. It's not abnormal for a policeman to pull them out again and subdue them further to calm them down.
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That's nonsense.
 
Well maybe the best form of justice we can get is the cop catching Corona from him
 
rietrot said:
That's nonsense.
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Explain. Watch the full video I linked earlier which shows a few minutes leading up to him being put on the floor.
You're also more than welcome to watch hundreds of hours of cop cam footage where this exact thing happens when someone is resisting while in the car.
 
ghoti said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1268559063874322432
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I'm not sure what the complaint is here. Should they not take measures to physically protect the white house? Also it's a bit ridiculous to think it's for Trump's protection when he's also mocked for the bunker...
Those fences would be to protect the physical building from protesters, not so much the people inside.
 
Vorastra said:
Explain. Watch the full video I linked earlier which shows a few minutes leading up to him being put on the floor.
You're also more than welcome to watch hundreds of hours of cop cam footage where this exact thing happens when someone is resisting while in the car.
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You're trying to hard to justify what the police did.

They just shouldn't be manhandling anyone that's not an immediate threat. Police should de-escalate a situation. There was no reason to be forceful.

Even if you are on the police's side. This type of heavy handedness just causes a breakdown of trust in the police and makes life more difficult for all the other police.

The one police officer even drew his gun at one point. They are scared and incompetent at working with people. It point to bad training.
 
rietrot said:
You're trying to hard to justify what the police did.

They just shouldn't be manhandling anyone that's not an immediate threat. Police should de-escalate a situation. There was no reason to be forceful..
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Ideally. It hardly ever is the case though. I agree they need better training. I don't agree they should be charged with murder or manslaughter. It's just way over the top now that the full autopsy has come out.

Like I said earlier, I want them to go to jail but also not, at the same time.
 
konfab said:
First appearing in 1937, he has now become the de facto term of derision for Baby Boomer hunters and marksmen, clinging to outdated technology. This term of derision is also a contentious slur in the Gun Control debate, where hunters who side with Gun Control advocates are viewed as soft brained pacifists, undercutting their own hobby through an alliance with big city activists.
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Looks very similar to what I posted :unsure:
 
Vorastra said:
It's not abnormal for a policeman to pull them out again and subdue them further to calm them down.
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Any proof of this? Once a perp is in the car since when does it make sense to pull him out, especially if the reason for kneeling on him was he didn't want to get in the car?

He's already in. You've got what you wanted. Why pull him out?
 
Randhir said:
Any proof of this? Once a perp is in the car since when does it make sense to pull him out, especially if the reason for kneeling on him was he didn't want to get in the car?

He's already in. You've got what you wanted. Why pull him out?
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I will try and comb through and find some videos for you.
 
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