George Floyd death

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Craig said:
I agree, both the looters and the criminal cop acted like animals so should be treated as such.
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In his case it was not animal behaviour though, it was criminal dereliction of duty or abuse of power perhaps, I don't know the best term for it.

He calmly did what he did which in itself might count against him in court.
 
scudsucker said:
Would this be the kind of "shameless political agitator" that would attempt to influence a US election in as many ways as possible in order to get their favoured weak candidate elected...

...or not?
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That was done purely in regular political interest the way the russian mindset works. There was also a personal grudge against Hillary involved, it really had nothing much to do with much else.

Hillary smugly pokes Putin in the eye and gloats about it while insulting him, Putin works to hurt her back where it hurts the most..... I really don't see why people need to blow it up beyond that.
 
rambo919 said:
In his case it was not animal behaviour though, it was criminal dereliction of duty or abuse of power perhaps, I don't know the best term for it.

He calmly did what he did which in itself might count against him in court.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. He pulled the guy out of the car to rough him up, and the oke ended up dead.
 
Craig said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. He pulled the guy out of the car to rough him up, and the oke ended up dead.
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He was still acting rationally and directed his actions with deliberation. The mob looses control and gleefully destroys in ways that debases their humanity.

I am not arguing in moral terms here, this is all logic.
 
rambo919 said:
He was still acting rationally and directed his actions with deliberation. The mob looses control and gleefully destroys in ways that debases their humanity.

I am not arguing in moral terms here, this is all logic.
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We'll have to disagree on that point as well, I don't think it was rational to take a calm criminal, high on drugs that was already under control out of the car and roughing him up.
 
Craig said:
We'll have to disagree on that point as well, I don't think it was rational to take a calm criminal, high on drugs that was already under control out of the car and roughing him up.
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True to a point but neither of us were there. We probably assume the junky having been in different behavioral states..... drugs like meth and fentynol rarely leave their abusers in calm states.... and if they do the length of calm can be impossible to predict. It can be that the officer also just lost his temper and did something stupid in a fit of irritation.... either way he has to pay his wages whatever they might be.

It just seems to me that a lot of the nuance is being lost in the orgy of emotionalism.

Note, rational does not mean condonable. Hitler for example was completely rational when he sent people to camps, so was Stalin and Moa. It all was completely rational, evil but rational.

EDIT: the use of a knee without bothering to check the effect is probably his biggest mistake.
 
Pegasus said:
Stating the obvious and then "knowing" exactly what the "MAGA's" view is on the story. :thumbsup:
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Well the MAGAts view is ever changing depending on the colour of the perpetrator.
 
rambo919 said:
True to a point but neither of us were there. We probably assume the junky having been in different behavioral states..... drugs like meth and fentynol rarely leave their abusers in calm states.... and if they do the length of calm can be impossible to predict. It can be that the officer also just lost his temper and did something stupid in a fit of irritation.... either way he has to pay his wages whatever they might be.

It just seems to me that a lot of the nuance is being lost in the orgy of emotionalism.

Note, rational does not mean condonable. Hitler for example was completely rational when he sent people to camps, so was Stalin and Moa. It all was completely rational, evil but rational.

EDIT: the use of a knee without bothering to check the effect is probably his biggest mistake.
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oh my !
 
rambo919 said:
True to a point but neither of us were there. We probably assume the junky having been in different behavioral states..... drugs like meth and fentynol rarely leave their abusers in calm states.... and if they do the length of calm can be impossible to predict. It can be that the officer also just lost his temper and did something stupid in a fit of irritation.... either way he has to pay his wages whatever they might be.

It just seems to me that a lot of the nuance is being lost in the orgy of emotionalism.

Note, rational does not mean condonable. Hitler for example was completely rational when he sent people to camps, so was Stalin and Moa. It all was completely rational, evil but rational.

EDIT: the use of a knee without bothering to check the effect is probably his biggest mistake.
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Him losing his temper is no excuse, he is busy doing what he gets paid to do. And his "mistake" left a guy dead. You say you don't condone it but you are sure going out of your way to think up excuses for the dirty cop.
 
Grant said:
his actions were indeed directed with deliberation, but in what parallel universe is kneeling on somebody's neck rational ?

oh my !
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Rational is not something that is objective, it has always been subjective. The idea that it is objective is a flaw in human reasoning because it assumes that everybody that thinks like you is rational and everyone that does not is irrational..... this in itself is subjective thinking.
 
Craig said:
Him losing his temper is no excuse, he is busy doing what he gets paid to do. And his "mistake" left a guy dead. You say you don't condone it but you are sure going out of your way to think up excuses for the dirty cop.
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I never said it is an excuse, I always said he must get punished correctly whatever his specific crime was. The danger here is mob-court instead of court of law.

The irony is people are advocating actually lynching (even if only figuratively) him while screaming that lynchings are wrong.
 
Pegasus said:
This is the incident we had a few pages back. In the original video the guy has a cell phone.
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He has the helmet in the original video. Watch the videos for yourself and stop falling for the fake news.
 
rambo919 said:
I never said it is an excuse, I always said he must get punished correctly whatever his specific crime was. The danger here is mob-court instead of court of law.

The irony is people are advocating actually lynching (even if only figuratively) him while screaming that lynchings are wrong.
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This we can agree on, the law should take it's cause. Thing is that that same law had video evidence of an incident of a bunch of guys shooting an unarmed black guy and it didn't take action until there was a big public outcry. So yeah, glad I'm not in orange fools shoes as this is a difficult situation all round.
 
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