George Floyd death

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Pegasus said:
You were justifying pulling the statue down. Not so?

Why not break everything that white people built.

Or is there a line somewhere where the woke who built nothing will be pleased?
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Strawman.

A statue is not the same as a building.

They become monuments.

Ever wonder why there are no statues of Hitler?
 
Vorastra said:
So I guess you're just not a fan of history. What if "some other leader" appeased the Germans, you know, like Churchill's predecessor.

What a stupid attitude to have about people's achievements.

"Oh, someone else would've been just as effective, it's fine."

:rolleyes:
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The Russian did far more than the British to destroy the Nazis.
 
buka001 said:
So why is everyone so scared of them?
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Who is scared of a manbunned soyboy.
Fear of manbunned soyboy can only be a figment of a fertile imagination.

Bring on a manbunned soyboy to give me a mouthful of crap & ill be quick to display my fear, beginning with a preemptive pk
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1269708110635175936

More evidence of the low-class scum who are attracted to these protests! Very likely Corbyn/Labour supporters as well!

Wish the police had used tasers and/or water cannons. Would have been a beautiful sight!
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They need skunk.

"Skunk" is a malodorant, non-lethal weapon used for crowd control by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and marketed to militaries and law enforcement around the world. It was developed and is manufactured by Odortec, with two supporting companies, Man and Beit-Alfa Technologies.[1] The liquid's strong odor is marketed as an improvement over other crowd control weapons (CCWs) such as rubber bullets and tear gas used by the IDF against Palestinian protestors. The IDF is criticized for its tactics during deployment, including common use against people, businesses, and neighborhoods not involved in protests as a form of collective punishment.[2]
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Skunk
 
Hey lefties here are some facts for you:

As a white, middle-aged, upper-middle-class immigrant, I’m hardly the person to speak to the politics of race in America. So I turned to an African-American friend, the economist Roland Fryer, whom I’ve known since we were colleagues at Harvard.

In 2016, he published a brilliant but controversial paper which argued that the police did not disproportionately use lethal violence against black people, though they were more likely to use non-lethal force against them. (A paper published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences lent strong support to Fryer’s thesis.)

He has a new, unpublished paper that looks at a perverse effect of investigations into police shootings. I asked Fryer to walk me through the argument.

“If you have a police shooting that goes viral online but isn’t investigated,” he explained, “then nothing changes — levels of police activity and crime are about the same. But if you have a viral shooting that is investigated, then police activity plummets, and crime goes up dramatically.” In just five cities – Baltimore; Chicago; Cincinnati; Ferguson, Missouri; and Riverside, California -- this led to excess homicides of almost 900 people in the subsequent 24 months, 80% them black, with an average age of 28.
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"Defund the police" indeed. It's such a stupid slogan one almost thinks the chants were from Republican electoral strategists. Alas...
 
ponder said:
Others will disagree with you, what makes their opinion less valid than yours? In order to be fair we should remove them and people have called for the removal of kruger, gandi & churchill, at times their requests were met. One mans freedom fighter is another's terrorist.
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As I said, many hero's can be viewed vastly differently depending on your point of view, am not suggesting those have no place because you can make an argument for them being there...

But at the very least can we make an argument for the removal of people who have very few redeeming qualities...


ponder said:
Then Shaka has to go, yes? He was a warmongering sob after all.
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No argument from me.

ponder said:
Because that's exactly what it is, it's part of a countries heritage even if distasteful.

No. Not because I endorse said slave trader or mass murder but the underlying principle of preserving heritage. You start with one thing and it slides downhill.
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But the suggestion isn't to scrub history, the statues certainly have some historical importance, I just believe that in a country of millions of people, surely they can do better than someone who profited off the misery of thousands Keep the statue in a museum if need be, but don't give it pride of place in the city centre.

End of the day, monuments and statues are not eternal, they are their to reflect the mood of the times, replacing them with a figure more reflective of current values is not the same as saying that the past no longer exists.
 
buka001 said:
It beggars belief that the Libertarians have been so quiet over this.
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Actual libertarians haven't been.

Justin Amash, Elizabeth Nolan Brown, Radley Balko, T. Greg Doucette have been consistent.

It's the faux-libertarians who are as quiet as church mice because their tribe is in charge.

cerebus said:
You mean the Rand Paul Tea Party style libertarians? Nah they only care about fiscal deficits and making sure the minimum wage doesn't get raised.
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They only care about deficits when a Democrat is president. When it's a Republican, lolwhocares.

etienne_marais said:
Fox News says it as it is

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=581199829197052
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He sure does.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1268274240253550597

Vrotappel said:
Celebrating a criminal. Sickening.
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I know! So weird how people can celebrate Trump and his cronies.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Well yes, Antifa is composed of weedy individuals who would raise the white flag 100km before German tanks rolled into town.
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I see you guys still can't decide whether Antifa are so fearsome that they threaten civilization or that they're ineffectual pussies.

Temujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1269211453229109248

:giggle:
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These moronic hoaxes get dumber by the day.

www.theverge.com

‘Antifa bus’ hoaxes are spreading panic through small-town America

“we have no evidence leading us to believe this threat is at all credible,” one sheriff said
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
cerebus said:
Some people have been calling for a total defunding of the police, I've seen arguments line that. I think it's stupid to even consider getting rid of the police force. But in the US is also stupid to pretend there aren't huge problems with the police that require some kind of structural overhaul.
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True, and I don't agree with them either, but even the 'total defund' people want to implement a different public safety model, not get rid of the actual purpose of what police are supposed to do.

A big part of the problem is the police don't actually solve crimes or protect these communities, fueling further distrust.
 
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