George Floyd death

[OrbitalDawn]

Wow, that's quite the strawman mate, please quote the part where I said that the statue offended me? I just think there must be better people from that period to honor... In my mind statues are supposed to represent heroic figures, not perfect people because no one is perfect and people have flaws

So Ghandi....all good

Churchill... a great leader

Paul Kruger.. did a lot of good things

Buddha.. no complaints

etc, etc...

But why would we want statues of genocidal madmen in public spaces (Stalin , Mao), what do you think that a statue of said person adds and what does society lose if that statue is removed?

You have used the phrase "destroying history" a few times which i still think is cheap quote that has no real meaning but for all that, did you even know the first thing about Edward Colston before today? Far from destroying history the act probably gave him more exposure than he's had in a hundred years...

As I said, some people are always going to be divisive and you can make arguments either way(especially in SA with our history) but can we at least agree that we don't need statues of mass murderers or slave traders...?

I don't agree with the vandalism either, but this logic followed to its conclusion would actually require them to be advocating erecting more statues, including ones of Stalin and Hitler, and Mao.

How else would anyone know history, going by their 'statues = history' reasoning?

Ah there is the dishonesty once again. Try saying... illegal immigrants. That way you won't look like a complete and utterly brainwashed MSM follower.

> Parrots Fox News
> Claims others are "utterly brainwashed MSM followers"

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hey lefties here are some facts for you:

2020 Is Not 1968. It May Be Worse.

"Defund the police" indeed. It's such a stupid slogan one almost thinks the chants were from Republican electoral strategists. Alas...

Fascinating. So if the police are held accountable for committing crimes themselves, they stop investigating crime.

And you think this is a defence of how the police currently conduct themselves instead of further evidence of institutional rot?

Been instructive to see how many people who claim it's "only a few bad apples" don't seem to know the rest of the phrase.

The 'bad apples' produce ethylene, which if left unchecked, ruin the rest of the batch. That's the point of the saying!

 

[RanzB]

A big part of the problem is the police don't actually solve crimes or protect these communities, fueling further distrust.

I have no idea why people would want to defund the police. If they did, who would arrest unarmed citizens just for dancing in the street?

 

[RanzB]

And you think this is a defence of how the police currently conduct themselves instead of further evidence of institutional rot?

Yeah, if he means what I think he means, this is one of the most retarded hot-takes I've ever heard.

 

[Grant]

5 days later, no arrest has been made in the murder of captain David Dorn.
By some miracle nobody has recognised their neighbor now sitting in his crib with newly stolen nikes on his feet, newly stolen Louis Vuitton wallet by his side and watching Netflix on his newly stolen flat screen TV.

Black lives matter indeed!

 

[greg0205]

I'mma just leave this here:

What Happened to Crime in Camden?

After a particularly deadly year in 1995, Camden’s Cathedral of Immaculate Conception began illuminating one candle for each homicide victim. In 2012, the year ended with 67 candles—a rate of about 87 murders per 100,000 residents, which ranked Camden fifth nationwide.

But on New Year’s 2018, just 22 candles were lit: The city’s murder rate fell to its lowest since 1987. The number of annual killings has been in decline since 2012; so have robberies, aggravated assaults, violent crimes, property crimes, and non-fatal shooting incidents.

So what’s happening in this city, which for many years has been deemed among the dangerous in America? Thomson, who took the helm of the Camden police force in 2008, says the biggest factor may have been the change in structure of the department itself. In 2013, the Camden Police Department was disbanded, reimagined, and born again as the Camden County Police Department, with fewer officers, lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

That meant focusing on rebuilding trust between the community and their officers.

“For us to make the neighborhood look and feel the way everyone wanted it to, it wasn’t going to be achieved by having a police officer with a helmet and a shotgun standing on a corner,” Thomson said. Now, he wants his officers “to identify more with being in the Peace Corps than being in the Special Forces.”

A conversation with Thomson about community policing is likely to involve many such catchy maxims. “Destabilized communities,” he told me, “need guardians, not warriors.” He explained the “Back to the Future Paradox”—use technology wisely, but pair it with regular-old “Bobbies on the street.” And he stressed the idea that public safety is about access to social services, economic rejuvenation, and good schools, not just cops: “Nothing stops a bullet like a job.”

It’s policing turned poetry, and his officers, too, have internalized it in their training. “The old police mantra was make it home safely,” Camden police officer Tyrell Bagby told the New York Times in April. “Now we’re being taught not only should we make it home safely, but so should the victim and the suspect.”

According to Camden’s mayor, Frank Moran, this ethos also extends outside of patrol hours. “These guys are more than just reporting 9-to-5 in uniform,” he told me. “They’re taking their own time and being mentors in the community. That speaks volumes.”

 

[The Voice]

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So basically, "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

As Trump blames antifa, protest records show scant evidence

WASHINGTON (AP) — Scott Nichols, a balloon artist, was riding home on his scooter from the protests engulfing Minneapolis last weekend when he was struck by a rubber bullet fired from a cluster of police officers in riot gear.

apnews.com

"The Associated Press analyzed court records, employment histories, social media posts and other sources of information for 217 people arrested last weekend in Minneapolis and the District of Columbia, two cities at the epicenter of the protests across the United States.

Rather than outside agitators, more than 85% of those arrested by police were local residents. Of those charged with such offenses as curfew violations, rioting and failure to obey law enforcement, only a handful appeared to have any affiliation with organized groups.

Those charged with more serious offenses related to looting and property destruction – such as arson, burglary and theft – often had past criminal records. But they, too, were overwhelmingly local residents taking advantage of the chaos.

Social media posts indicate only a few of those arrested are left-leaning activists, including a self-described anarchist. But others had indications of being on the political right, including some Trump supporters."

*shocked face*

 

[TysonRoux]

Colin Powell: Trump has drifted away from the Constitution

The former secretary of state rebuked the President's actions during a state of growing unrest in the US

Former Republican Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday that President Donald Trump has "drifted away" from the Constitution, adding to a growing list of former top military officials who have strongly criticized the President's response to the nationwide protests surrounding the police killing of George Floyd.

"We have a Constitution. And we have to follow that Constitution. And the President has drifted away from it," Powell, a retired general who served under President George W. Bush, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

The comments from Powell, the first African American secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, add to a growing list of rebukes made in recent days by former top officials who have expressed discontent with Trump's strongman approach to the protests sparked by the death of Floyd, a black man who was killed in late May by a white police officer in Minneapolis.

Powell said he's "proud" of what a number of former generals, admirals and diplomats have said about Trump's response last week to the widespread protests, adding that he hadn't released a public statement denouncing Trump's response because he felt he had demonstrated his displeasure with Trump in 2016 when he voted against him.

"I think what we're seeing now, this massive protest movement I have ever seen in my life, I think it suggests the country is getting wise to this and we're not going to put up with it anymore," the retired general told Tapper.

Powell throws his support behind Biden

The former Republican official also said he is he is planning to vote for Democrat Joe Biden for president in November, again voting against Trump as he had done in 2016.

"I'm very close to Joe Biden on a social matter and on a political matter. I worked with him for 35, 40 years, and he is now the candidate and I will be voting for him," Powell said.

Asked why it was so important to him that Trump not be reelected, Powell said that he thinks Trump has not been an effective president and that he lies "all the time."

"What we have to do now is reach out to the whole people, watch these demonstrations, watch these protests, and rather than curse them, embrace them to see what it is we have to do to get out of the situation that we find ourselves in now," he told Tapper. "We're America, we're Americans, we can do this. We have the ability to do it, and we ought to do it. Make America not just great, but strong and great for all Americans, not just a couple."

Trump attacked Powell on Twitter shortly after his interview Sunday, blasting the former Bush official as "a real stiff" and Biden as "another stiff." The President also lashed out at the former secretary of state for his role in presenting the US' case against Iraq to the United Nations in 2003.

Republican Collin Powell sure triggered the Orange Dotard.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://twitter.com/x/status/1269647899790540800

Self-praise is no recommendation

Definition of Self-praise is no recommendation in the Idioms Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

idioms.thefreedictionary.com

Self-praise is no recommendation

Praise of oneself is worth nothing, as one cannot be objective of one's own work or accomplishments.

Praising oneself reveals one's arrogance or selfishness, which in turn lowers other's opinion of one.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

*shocked face*

Chainsaw-wielding racist gets boost from top Trump aide as race protests sweep the nation

The activity by a senior Trump campaign adviser, and former White House aide, reflects a broader movement by some Republicans to attack the protests against police brutality.

www.politico.com

 

[Techne]

> Parrots Fox News
> Claims others are "utterly brainwashed MSM followers"

Fake News™ Fox and other MSM followers are all the same.. utterly brainwashed partisans unable to recognize how the plutocrats (Trumptard included) and oligarchs on both sides play them like a fiddle. Keep trolling with posting Fake News™ though

 

[Techne]

Just completely defund the police in Minneapolis, decolonize the name and call it Mogadishu.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

For all the folks clutching their pearls at ideas around defunding/reorganising/abolishing police departments, it has actually been done before very recently and the outcomes are good.

Better Police, Less Crime in Camden, NJ - Marginal REVOLUTION

Camden NJ has thrice been named the most dangerous city in America. Camden suffered not only from high crime but from poor policing under a rigid union contract. Jim Epstein described the situation in 2014: Camden’s old city-run police force abused its power and abrogated its duties. It took...

marginalrevolution.com

In May of 2013, however, the entire police department was disbanded nullifying the union contract and an entirely new county police department was put into place.

...

So what has been the result? Violent crime is down and clearances are up (charts from Daniel Bier, who also notes that the fall in violent crime and increase in convictions far exceed that in comparison to New Jersey more generally or Philadelphia.)

 

[Techne]

For all the folks clutching their pearls at ideas around defunding/reorganising/abolishing police departments, it has actually been done before very recently and the outcomes are good.

Better Police, Less Crime in Camden, NJ - Marginal REVOLUTION

Camden NJ has thrice been named the most dangerous city in America. Camden suffered not only from high crime but from poor policing under a rigid union contract. Jim Epstein described the situation in 2014: Camden’s old city-run police force abused its power and abrogated its duties. It took...

marginalrevolution.com

Crime still being reported by a funded police station? Brutal!

 

[rietrot]

I'mma just leave this here:

What Happened to Crime in Camden?

Big government socialist can never decrease the size of government. The fix will always be more government. You won't get defunding of the police you'll get more police to investigate and police the police.

This is actually not a partisan issue. You can decrease the size of police at any time. Everyone is for good community policing and against the militarization of police. Except when it is really necessary to have large numbers of police. Like now. To stop the criminal running around looting.

 

[The_Librarian]

Next you'll be burning books.

Fahrenheit 451?

 

[Polymathic]

So everybody ignoring the fact that we have 10s of content creation bots taking to the streets and gathering in mass for the sole purpose of creating content for thier social media feed.

 

[rietrot]

For all the folks clutching their pearls at ideas around defunding/reorganising/abolishing police departments, it has actually been done before very recently and the outcomes are good.

Better Police, Less Crime in Camden, NJ - Marginal REVOLUTION

Camden NJ has thrice been named the most dangerous city in America. Camden suffered not only from high crime but from poor policing under a rigid union contract. Jim Epstein described the situation in 2014: Camden’s old city-run police force abused its power and abrogated its duties. It took...

marginalrevolution.com

Always the same problems. Democrat stronghold, and unions.

 

[Polymathic]

Lol iirc meaning what i have seen online .
Could be shopped , could be true , they did have a bit of hatred for some groups but seemingly had no problem allying with japanese and others .View attachment 855163

Yeah when Churchill basically purposely diverted food stocks from your country to Europe for further the stockpile and caused millions of people to starve to death who else are you going to turn to?

 

[Vrotappel]

I certainly believe that the militarized police force is a major problem and their aggressive response to the protests has contributed to a lot of the street violence we've seen.

First there was the violence and then the response.
The same with Floyd - first a crime then the response.