George Floyd death

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buka001 said:
Free speech is not the same as physical violence. I have not supported any acts of violence.

The concept that I can understand and emphasise with how people wish to express their frustrations with statues that represent the very racist views they are fighting against, makes sense.

I wouldn't personally do it. Would rather put it in a museum, but hey I have never been oppressed.

So no heroes here. But go on with your ad hom and I shall return with equal deliverance.
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So you have an imaginary line at statues, even though those statues may have value for other people...
 
Vrotappel said:
So you have an imaginary line at statues, even though those statues may have value for other people...
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What value does a slave trader who sent 84000 people to work as slaves, of which 19000 (women and children invluded) died en route on the ships, hold to you?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Elaborate on both, in the argument that, "You NEED one dominant culture", I would need to be enlightened on how it is achieved and the signs in it retaining being dominant, also apply known societal examples in support.
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There are many ways a culture gains dominance, the most common one's are shifts in dominant power and creeping conversion. This happened in spurts with the chinese, greek and british cultures for example, sometimes by conquest and sometimes not.... always because of inter cultural contact though.

As to which culture is dominant, I fail to see how this can be a mystery. You observe the taboo's, tendencies, beliefs, biases, etc and cultures automatically differentiate themselves. The culture that has the greatest grip on the greatest amount of people is the most dominant.

The Japanese for example imported Chinese culture as well as religion and adapted it to their ethnic tendencies. The Romans basically adopted Greek culture and religion even after conquering them because as much as they disliked them personally they accepted that Greek culture/religion was superior.

Reasons for adopting a culture differ as much as ethnicity differ. In SA we are seeing a culture split I believe in the black groups, one part remains fundamentalist conservative to their separate african cultures and another part is slowly adopting a bastardized version of american culture to the point where a subjection is forced to endure first world problems and seek to emulate everything they see america doing. There is also the phenomena of both groups having cultural bubbles claiming Christianity but still practicing witchcraft.

None of these groups have a REAL shared identity just the synthetic "ok we are free like america now, we are all brothers".... it was never going to actually work long term but that was the dream.
 
buka001 said:
What value does a slave trader who sent 84000 people to work as slaves, of which 19000 (women and children invluded) died en route on the ships, hold to you?
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None whatsoever but it does not mean it holds value for someone.

A decent human being will respect that, respect other people's heritage, respect other people's property, respect other people's lives.

Was George F a decent human being? By most accounts not, and the people protesting in his name is also not decent human beings. If it is peaceful, keep it peaceful.
 
Vrotappel said:
None whatsoever but it does not mean it holds value for someone.

A decent human being will respect that, respect other people's heritage, respect other people's property, respect other people's lives.

Was George F a decent human being? By most accounts not, and the people protesting in his name is also not decent human beings. If it is peaceful, keep it peaceful.
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Decent human being disrespected the Berlin Wall. Defaced it and vandalised it for decades.

One day they broke it down.

I doubt many, if anyone was opposed to that.

There is context to everything.
 
C4Cat said:
Given the disproportionate funding for police and prisons in the US, yes, I do think some of the funds currently given to police should be reassigned. I think spending should prioritize things like community health and education instead of police officers.
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I am really not surprised at all.

I was called Klu Klux Karen for saying the same thing. :ROFL:
 
abzo said:
Can’t speak for SA in general but the ones on mybb definitely express racist views throughout the forum. Could be entirely coincidental.
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Emjay said:
Point out the racist posts.
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@abzo, I see you are active in this thread again but didn't respond. Since there are a few "Trumpists" in this thread, it should be easy to prove your assertion.
 
TysonRoux said:
Biden states opposition to defunding police

A spokesperson for Joe Biden said the presumptive Democratic nominee does not support defunding the police, as a number of criminal justice activists have called for after the killing of George Floyd.


Campaign spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement that Biden “hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change, and is driven to ensure that justice is done and that we put a stop to this terrible pain.”

Bates said the former vice president “supports the urgent need for reform,” including proposals to fund community policing programs and diversify cities’ police forces, but some activists have said such reforms do not go far enough to crack down on police brutality.


Joe Biden’s statement expressing opposition to defunding police departments comes shortly after the Trump campaign held a press call about the movement.

The president and his allies have sought to tie all Democrats to calls to defund police departments, which have intensified since the killing of George Floyd.

However, many of the Democratic party’s leaders seem hesitant to endorse the movement, and congressional Democrats just unveiled legislation to reform police departments rather than defund them.
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Of course he has because it's a losing strategy. Looking at any of the polls can tell him that.
 
buka001 said:
That was Kitchener though, Churchill was just a war correspondent,but I see your point.

I don't agree with Churchill's statue being defaced, but I can understand it and it does open up discussions over him, but ultimately in my view Churchill stance against the Nazis deserves his place as such.

But some random slave trader that nobody really knew about until this weekend? It's an interesting hill for everyone to die defending on.
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It's not about the specific person, but rather about the principle of destroying history.

Now you can say a statue isn't history, and I can say it is. And we will never agree.

Or you can say it belongs in a museum, and I can say if it's good enough for an museum there's no reason why it can't also be out in the open. And we'll disagree again.
 
TysonRoux said:
Biden states opposition to defunding police

A spokesperson for Joe Biden said the presumptive Democratic nominee does not support defunding the police, as a number of criminal justice activists have called for after the killing of George Floyd.


Campaign spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement that Biden “hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change, and is driven to ensure that justice is done and that we put a stop to this terrible pain.”

Bates said the former vice president “supports the urgent need for reform,” including proposals to fund community policing programs and diversify cities’ police forces, but some activists have said such reforms do not go far enough to crack down on police brutality.


Joe Biden’s statement expressing opposition to defunding police departments comes shortly after the Trump campaign held a press call about the movement.

The president and his allies have sought to tie all Democrats to calls to defund police departments, which have intensified since the killing of George Floyd.

However, many of the Democratic party’s leaders seem hesitant to endorse the movement, and congressional Democrats just unveiled legislation to reform police departments rather than defund them.
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The Guardian reported,

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George Floyd memorials held in Houston and Los Angeles as Democrats unveil reforms – as it happened

Thousands of people come to pay their respects to Floyd. A memorial will be held in Houston Tuesday
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George Floyd protests: Democrats take a knee before unveiling police reform bill – live
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Democrats take a knee in honor of Floyd

Democratic lawmakers held a moment of silence on Capitol Hill in honor of George Floyd, minutes before they are expected to reveal a bill aimed at cracking down on police brutality.

Democrats unveil police reform bill

Congressional Democrats are now holding a press conference to introduce their sweeping police reform bill in response to the recent killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.
Karen Bass, the chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, said the Justice in Policing Act would help prevent future deaths in police custody, and she applauded the protests against police brutality in recent weeks.
“The world is witnessing the birth of a new movement in our country,” Bass said.
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Too late I would say. The protesters want this change, said placeholder is to be a replacedholder.

 
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Donald Rumsfeld, the US protests and the neoliberal hypocrites

Donald Rumsfeld said 'freedom is untidy'. Why wouldn't neoliberals accept that in America?
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Donald Rumsfeld, the US protests and the neoliberal hypocrites
Donald Rumsfeld said 'freedom is untidy'. Why wouldn't neoliberals accept that in America?

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US marines watch Iraqi civilians looting a government warehouse, as they guard their camp in a southeastern suburb of Baghdad on April 9, 2003


America's neoliberal intelligentsia is a nest of shameless hypocrisy and historical revisionism.

That is the inescapable, but, predictably, overlooked conclusion to be drawn as the US is, once again, convulsed by the racial fissures that have been exposed, yet again, by yet another white police officer's homicide of yet another Black man.

In the turbulent aftermath of George Floyd's slow, sadistic killing by a thug brandishing a badge, the usual gallery of unrepentant neoliberal darlings has been invited on TV and other agreeable corporate media to muse about the overarching meaning of the mass protests.
 
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