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Edit: tl;dr you've been warned.

Detour from the cannabis thread for anyone interested. For the last few months I've been feeling like my sleep has been really bad. Get to sleep fine but am waking up with a heavy tired sensation behind my eyes, not feeling rested, been in a kak mood during the day, work been suffering. I'll usually wake a few times to piss but it's often accompanied by a kind of restlessness and I'll often toss and turn after getting back into bed and lie there for a while before falling back to sleep. All said - I don't feel like I'm awake the whole night, but I feel tired as if I was awake for a lot of the night.

Have done the usual:

No caffeine late in day
No blue light / phones etc. before bed
Exercise
Eat well
Magnesium supplements (various forms, currently on glycinate, haven't tried threonate)
etc.

Went for blood test recently - everything checks out fine, minor allergy (hayfever) markers found but I don't have hayfever symptoms so doubt (for now) that this is the cause of the tiredness.

Enter CBD oil. I don't like the next day effects of weed and I feel it with CBD so I've been hesitant to try again. Picked up 3 different bottles (CBN+CBD, CBG+CBG, high Sativa to CBD 12:1). First night with the CBN+CBD oil I had good sleep (the restlessness was gone and replaced with a kind of warm comfort so falling asleep again was much easier) but then I had the usual next day hangover feeling which at this point is almost preferable to the tiredness). Going to spend a week playing around with dose on the CBN+CBD before trying one of the other oils.

However - given how I feel the next day I don't feel like CBD or any cannabis solution will be long-term but it might be enough short-term to at least help break the waking up habit.

So at the moment before bed:

Magnesium Glycinate
L-Theanine
2-3 drops CBN+CBD
Have also cut out caffeine and chocolate completely since last week.

I've seen quite a few reports of elevated cortisol keeping people awake during the early morning. Might be this. Though it might also be an inflammation issue but that's just a stab in the dark, blood tests also returned no inflammation issues.

Anyway. Interested to hear from anyone else dealing with sleep issues what helped.
 
saor said:
Have done the usual:

No caffeine late in day
No blue light / phones etc. before bed
Exercise
Eat well
Magnesium supplements (various forms, currently on glycinate, haven't tried threonate)
etc.
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Have you tried cutting out alcohol also?
 
saor said:
Have also cut out caffeine and chocolate completely since last week.
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My brother in christ you are going through caffeine withdraws

Don't drink anything, including water 3 hours before bed.
Limit light exposure during the night (While you're sleeping)
Enable the sun to penetrate into your room

As soon as you get up, go for a walk outside in the sun.
 
Diagnosing sleep issues is tricky and complex, but let’s go with some of the threads you began pulling at.

Having random cortisol spikes and the wrong time of night could be to a number of things, one, as you guessed, is inflammation. One thing that causes transient inflammation at night is digestion, because digested food molecules can enter your blood stream, and because the immune system is most active at night, this can easily trigger inflammation. Food slowly passing into your lower gut can also feed your digestive tract bacteria causing them to bloom which also triggers the immune system hence causing inflammation.

To see if that’s the issue, try to eat your main meal at 2pm instead of in the evening.

Since cutting out caffeine, have you felt sleepy during the day?
 
static_sa said:
My brother in christ you are going through caffeine withdraws

Don't drink anything, including water 3 hours before bed.
Limit light exposure during the night (While you're sleeping)
Enable the sun to penetrate into your room

As soon as you get up, go for a walk outside in the sun.
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Potentially this, if you are experiencing lower than usual levels of stimulation during the day your circadian rhythm can easily be thrown off, ironically making it harder to fall asleep at night. You have to cut back slowly , maybe switch to tea for a couple of weeks until you adapt.
 
Nike7 said:
Diagnosing sleep issues is tricky and complex, but let’s go with some of the threads you began pulling at.

Having random cortisol spikes and the wrong time of night could be to a number of things, one, as you guessed, is inflammation. One thing that causes transient inflammation at night is digestion, because digested food molecules can enter your blood stream, and because the immune system is most active at night, this can easily trigger inflammation. Food slowly passing into your lower gut can also feed your digestive tract bacteria causing them to bloom which also triggers the immune system hence causing inflammation.

To see if that’s the issue, try to eat your main meal at 2pm instead of in the evening.

Since cutting out caffeine, have you felt sleepy during the day?
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Interesting is that if I eat early in the day (17:00) I don't wake up to piss, however I still wake up tired. The caffeine nah not really, been feeling fine actually other than what might've been some withdrawal feelings for a few days (I was only drinking 1-2 cups in the morning anyway).

I'll play around with meal timings over the holidays. First meal is lunch at work and it's not really the time & place to be eating a main meal, but again - can try during holidays.
 
saor said:
Edit: tl;dr you've been warned.

Detour from the cannabis thread for anyone interested. For the last few months I've been feeling like my sleep has been really bad. Get to sleep fine but am waking up with a heavy tired sensation behind my eyes, not feeling rested, been in a kak mood during the day, work been suffering. I'll usually wake a few times to piss but it's often accompanied by a kind of restlessness and I'll often toss and turn after getting back into bed and lie there for a while before falling back to sleep. All said - I don't feel like I'm awake the whole night, but I feel tired as if I was awake for a lot of the night.

Have done the usual:

No caffeine late in day
No blue light / phones etc. before bed
Exercise
Eat well
Magnesium supplements (various forms, currently on glycinate, haven't tried threonate)
etc.

Went for blood test recently - everything checks out fine, minor allergy (hayfever) markers found but I don't have hayfever symptoms so doubt (for now) that this is the cause of the tiredness.

Enter CBD oil. I don't like the next day effects of weed and I feel it with CBD so I've been hesitant to try again. Picked up 3 different bottles (CBN+CBD, CBG+CBG, high Sativa to CBD 12:1). First night with the CBN+CBD oil I had good sleep (the restlessness was gone and replaced with a kind of warm comfort so falling asleep again was much easier) but then I had the usual next day hangover feeling which at this point is almost preferable to the tiredness). Going to spend a week playing around with dose on the CBN+CBD before trying one of the other oils.

However - given how I feel the next day I don't feel like CBD or any cannabis solution will be long-term but it might be enough short-term to at least help break the waking up habit.

So at the moment before bed:

Magnesium Glycinate
L-Theanine
2-3 drops CBN+CBD
Have also cut out caffeine and chocolate completely since last week.

I've seen quite a few reports of elevated cortisol keeping people awake during the early morning. Might be this. Though it might also be an inflammation issue but that's just a stab in the dark, blood tests also returned no inflammation issues.

Anyway. Interested to hear from anyone else dealing with sleep issues what helped.
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May sound silly but what helped me surprisingly was an air purifier. That clean, fresh smell in the air and the swirling water calms the senses.
 
IDK what's in those CBD/Marijuana supplements you're taking, but I know smoking weed prevents you from going into an REM sleep.
 
SHL said:
May sound silly but what helped me surprisingly was an air purifier. That clean, fresh smell in the air and the swirling water calms the senses.
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Yeah, also a dust allergy can also wake you up if it’s in your sheets.
 
saor said:
Edit: tl;dr you've been warned.

Detour from the cannabis thread for anyone interested. For the last few months I've been feeling like my sleep has been really bad. Get to sleep fine but am waking up with a heavy tired sensation behind my eyes, not feeling rested, been in a kak mood during the day, work been suffering. I'll usually wake a few times to piss but it's often accompanied by a kind of restlessness and I'll often toss and turn after getting back into bed and lie there for a while before falling back to sleep. All said - I don't feel like I'm awake the whole night, but I feel tired as if I was awake for a lot of the night.

Have done the usual:

No caffeine late in day
No blue light / phones etc. before bed
Exercise
Eat well
Magnesium supplements (various forms, currently on glycinate, haven't tried threonate)
etc.

Went for blood test recently - everything checks out fine, minor allergy (hayfever) markers found but I don't have hayfever symptoms so doubt (for now) that this is the cause of the tiredness.

Enter CBD oil. I don't like the next day effects of weed and I feel it with CBD so I've been hesitant to try again. Picked up 3 different bottles (CBN+CBD, CBG+CBG, high Sativa to CBD 12:1). First night with the CBN+CBD oil I had good sleep (the restlessness was gone and replaced with a kind of warm comfort so falling asleep again was much easier) but then I had the usual next day hangover feeling which at this point is almost preferable to the tiredness). Going to spend a week playing around with dose on the CBN+CBD before trying one of the other oils.

However - given how I feel the next day I don't feel like CBD or any cannabis solution will be long-term but it might be enough short-term to at least help break the waking up habit.

So at the moment before bed:

Magnesium Glycinate
L-Theanine
2-3 drops CBN+CBD
Have also cut out caffeine and chocolate completely since last week.

I've seen quite a few reports of elevated cortisol keeping people awake during the early morning. Might be this. Though it might also be an inflammation issue but that's just a stab in the dark, blood tests also returned no inflammation issues.

Anyway. Interested to hear from anyone else dealing with sleep issues what helped.
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If you think the CBD is helping the situation, think again. After watching this documentary one cannot deny the drastic effects on the brain from cannabis.

 
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