Google: Android didn't copy iPhone

And changed from a Blackberry clone to an iPhone clone shortly after the public demo of the iPhone.
 
Still doesn't mean they didn't start copying iPhone after it's release. Or could it just be a coincidence that they changed from looking something like a Nokia E71's UI to looking almost the same as the iOS UI a year after the iPhone was released...

The evidence is there... Nothing anyone says is gonna change that.
Google it... Haha
 
But making a patent on how the software works is ridicules! Make it so that I cant copy it and only then can you say that you made something unique!
 
b1scu1t said:
Still doesn't mean they didn't start copying iPhone after it's release. Or could it just be a coincidence that they changed from looking something like a Nokia E71's UI to looking almost the same as the iOS UI a year after the iPhone was released...

The evidence is there... Nothing anyone says is gonna change that.
Google it... Haha
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Hey if something works, it works. I'm not saying that they didn't copy iOS, it just makes sense to copy something from another OS if you can see that it clearly works. Even Apple does this so I don't see why they get to point fingers. It can be something small like "copy and paste" to something more significant like IMessage, etc.
 
b1scu1t said:
Still doesn't mean they didn't start copying iPhone after it's release. Or could it just be a coincidence that they changed from looking something like a Nokia E71's UI to looking almost the same as the iOS UI a year after the iPhone was released...

The evidence is there... Nothing anyone says is gonna change that.
Google it... Haha
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[video=youtube;CW0DUg63lqU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU[/video]
 
http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/11/08/built-to-be-flexible

So to try and answer the question: Android was revealed 11 months after Apple showed off the 1st iPhone; which means it's probable that the touch part was copied i.e. what was shown by Google at the end of 2007 re touch interface was rough enough to represent 11 months of work.
Arguing the merits of who copied who is a waste of time -- let that be decided by their legal battles.

The success is what counts and that will be determined by market share, profits, etc. On that count its clear Android is winning the market share part and Apple is winning the profitability part -- as they say you vote with your wallet.

Overall only 1 player pulling ahead in this marketing battle will be bad for the consumer -- with a monopoly comes arrogance, laziness and complacency -- look at our gov for proof that a monopoly is not a good thing. If both or more win then so do we!
 
If Android didn't look at some of the better aspects of iOS I would be hugely surprised. Fact is that it happens in every industry. Maybe more in industries like the Chinese Automotive industry? ;) But if LG didn't look at what Samsung or Sony were doing with their televisions, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And if iOS doesn't try work the best of Android into their OS, they'd also be cutting themselves short.

This squabbling is just plain petty. If it were a straight copy 'n paste, that would be different.
 
McT said:
If Android didn't look at some of the better aspects of iOS I would be hugely surprised. Fact is that it happens in every industry. Maybe more in industries like the Chinese Automotive industry? ;) But if LG didn't look at what Samsung or Sony were doing with their televisions, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And if iOS doesn't try work the best of Android into their OS, they'd also be cutting themselves short.

This squabbling is just plain petty. If it were a straight copy 'n paste, that would be different.
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I agree.

Btw the the following quote is taken from Steve Jobs which I believe is relevant to this

i.e. you can easily substitute Apple with Android / iOS, similarly Microsoft with iOS / Android.
If we want to move forward and see Apple healthy and prospering again, we have to let go of a few things here. We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose. We have to embrace a notion that for Apple to win, Apple has to do a really good job.
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Vote with your wallet...
 
I wish Apple would steal a few ideas from Android ...
 
Dolby said:
I wish Apple would steal a few ideas from Android ...
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Well they stole some like Notifications, just not ones I want, like Open file system and Installations from other markets.
 
Elimentals said:
Oops.... I take that back http://www.osnews.com/story/25264
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This photo is invoked very often in online discussions about iOs vs. Android, a discussion we see popping up more and more due to the various legal battles between Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle and one side, and Google and the various Android device makers on the other. However, I always recalled seeing a video where alongside the BlackBerry-esque prototype, Google also showed off a device with a full touch screen.

As it turns out, my memory isn't playing tricks on me. We're talking November 12 2007, and Google released the fist SDK for Android. Other than the keyboard-driven BlackBerry-esque style, the SDK also supported touch screens just fine. And, just as I remembered, Google showed off a reference design with a full touch screen (and, by the looks of it, it's capacitive) - looking suspiciously similar to the HTC Dream, the first Android device - including gestures and flicks.
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November 2007, a whole 10 months after Apple announced the iPhone?

You'd think the author would at least consult a calendar before publishing his article.
 
icyrus said:
November 2007, a whole 10 months after Apple announced the iPhone?

You'd think the author would at least consult a calendar before publishing his article.
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I think you miss the point, the information in the first article is often used to try and show how android was altered to copy IOS but as it turns out android was testing on multiple devices including touchscreens and wasn't a blackberry clone which was changed into an iphone clone. Android was in development since 2003 and for all we know they had the iphone look before apple but just wer'nt ready to release it, at any rate I think both OS's have copied tons of content from each other wether they deny it or not.
 
MattyW said:
I think you miss the point, the information in the first article is often used to try and show how android was altered to copy IOS but as it turns out android was testing on multiple devices including touchscreens and wasn't a blackberry clone which was changed into an iphone clone. Android was in development since 2003 and for all we know they had the iphone look before apple but just wer'nt ready to release it, at any rate I think both OS's have copied tons of content from each other wether they deny it or not.
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Your are wasting your time; there is no point to this argument... It's probable re the timeline (but who cares)... ultimately who copied who will be left for the courts to decide (unless of course you are major shareholders in these companies -- only then I could understand the debate).

What's more important is how does this impact your daily life i.e. I believe to be taken seriously on this subject you have to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses on both sides.

Overall what would be more progressive is to state what you want improved on either side, discuss and try to get consensus and then ultimately back this up by logging a feature requests with either Google or Apple.

The more people who acknowledge the weakness formally, the more likely it will be included in the next release -- btw if you can't convince people on this forum then understandably you'll find it difficult to justify your point of view in a feature request.

As example:
Most people believed that the initial iOS version was flawed as it did not have copy/paste functionality -- so no surprises that it does now.
 
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Dolby said:
I wish Apple would steal a few ideas from Android ...
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Now that you own an Apple device.

Open up the debate -- what features do you miss and why? Don't be pissed and surprised if you receive counter arguments from other Apple device owners -- as I said it's going to be difficult to justify your point in a feature request if people on this forum can't relate to your view.

Neither solution is perfect imo; hence Google has not dominated the market and neither has Apple -- and thank goodness for that...
 
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MattyW said:
I think you miss the point
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I don't think I did.

MattyW said:
the information in the first article is often used to try and show how android was altered to copy IOS but as it turns out android was testing on multiple devices including touchscreens and wasn't a blackberry clone which was changed into an iphone clone.
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As it turns out Google showed a touchscreen version of Android 10 months after the public announcement of the iPhone. Hardly compelling evidence that it predated the iPhone.

MattyW said:
Android was in development since 2003 and for all we know they had the iphone look before apple but just wer'nt ready to release it, at any rate I think both OS's have copied tons of content from each other wether they deny it or not.
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There is certainly a lack of any publicly available evidence suggesting that Android didn't change track based on the iPhone. In all honesty though that is the only thing that could have done, because if they had stuck with any other design it would've flopped.
 
[)roi(];7193577 said:
Your are wasting your time; there is no point to this argument... It's probable re the timeline (but who cares)... ultimately who copied who will be left for the courts to decide (unless of course you are major shareholders in these companies -- only then I could understand the debate).

What's more important is how does this impact your daily life i.e. I believe to be taken seriously on this subject you have to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses on both sides.

Overall what would be more progressive is to state what you want improved on either side, discuss and try to get consensus and then ultimately back this up by logging a feature requests with either Google or Apple.

The more people who acknowledge the weakness formally, the more likely it will be included in the next release -- btw if you can't convince people on this forum then understandably you'll find it difficult to justify your point of view in a feature request.

As example:
Most people believed that the initial iOS version was flawed as it did not have copy/paste functionality -- so no surprises that it does now.
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Agreed that's what I said in my post, I am sure both OSs have copied a lot of ideas from each other but I don't see that as a bad thing, I can't think of anthing worse than their being only one mobile OS with no competition there would be no innovation. I don't want apple or android to win the war and hope microsoft can make a dent in the market aswel {but looking at their new phones I doubt it}, apple and android should have to work hard to convince me to buy into their eco-system and that's why competition and the fact that they may have copied one or two ideas from each other is a good thing.
 
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