Hashim Amla

ZCF, I dont have time, perhaps you do, so do us a favour and do a ICC Ranking comparison graph for both Test and ODI.

I am sure when you see that you will then claim that ICC, Price Cooper Waterhouse, LG etc whomever has had anything to do with the rankings are conspiring against Amla.

You see, the rankings, un like us, look at all the stats, the bowlers faced, the state of game etc and the computer does the calculations.

Must say, there is little to choose between the two, but it appears AB is marginally ahead in both.

Oh btw it also shows Amla's early career and the delay whilst getting his technique right.

cheers
 
Couldnt you find the stats this time?....might give it to you when I get home tonight.
 
Couldnt you find the stats this time?....might give it to you when I get home tonight.
You've got serious issues OzziCapie. I've already given you those stats/graphs. That's how I realise that you've been responding to things that you weren't reading so it's pointless to engage with you. My stats on Amla&AB are exhaustive. I've got other more damning stats in other threads not just this one. If you want that Test graph just click on the link I provided for the ODI graph and click on the Test radio button. You can achieve that in quicker time than it takes you to turn your car key on to "get home tonight".
 
OK here are the ICC/PWC/LG etc comparisons. They are done by independent computer taking into regard the bowling faced, rates etc etc, so it doesnt really matter who is opening or #4. It does not mean one has scored more centuries than the other....those simplistic stats are for others.

AB's is in light blue

ODIComparison.jpg

TestComparison.jpg
 
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Really, he's not worth your time guys. It's like trying to tell Mugabe that white people are good.
:D, well said.
Clutching at straws! Sad act of the matter is that Amla is way ahead of AB in both Tests&ODIs. This is an argument in which you'll struggle to prove me wrong > short-term or long-term.

In all formats combined the hottest batsmen right now are Amla,Sanga&Wiliamson. All have over 800 runs, at an average of over 90. Amla at an unbelievable 101! I can't see him ending the year with an average of less than 100. Frightening if one considers that he opens in ODIs while the rest don't. He's peerless!

Last year the best batsman was Kumar Sangakkara, but arguably one would say it was Steve Smith. Even though Amla, Kohli&Sanga got 8 centuries (more than double ABdV), but Steve Smith got 7, between 8-26 innings less.

The most destructive batsman was arguably between David Warner & Brendan McCullum. But I'll give it to BMac because he really stepped up this year(55 sixes, equal number of centuries as AB-4, and played less innings), while Warner has been so dominant from 2013 that every bowler should be sick of him, and CA have been giving him a lot of time off against weak opposition e.g tri-series involving ZIM&SA.

Runs, centuries, strike-rate, boundaries etc, AB cannot claim to be ahead in any way. Not outs due to batting lower have helped him a lot, just as they've helped Steve Smith&Mathews shoot up the rankings, and Dhoni in the past. I know the criteria doesn't say middle-order or opener, but no one can argue that it doesn't help make you appear better than you trully are. Just ask Michael Clarke.

Amla is a great run&century-making machine. Only Sanga comes close. Plain&simple.
 
Somebody suggested to move Rilee to open, and let De Kock bat at 6/7. This does not seem like such a bad move - maybe Quinton is struggling against the bouncier, seamier balls at the start of the innings. Happened to a few batsmen - even AB has opened before.
 
Clutching at straws! Sad act of the matter is that Amla is way ahead of AB in both Tests&ODIs. This is an argument in which you'll struggle to prove me wrong > short-term or long-term.

In all formats combined the hottest batsmen right now are Amla,Sanga&Wiliamson. All have over 800 runs, at an average of over 90. Amla at an unbelievable 101! I can't see him ending the year with an average of less than 100. Frightening if one considers that he opens in ODIs while the rest don't. He's peerless!

Last year the best batsman was Kumar Sangakkara, but arguably one would say it was Steve Smith. Even though Amla, Kohli&Sanga got 8 centuries (more than double ABdV), but Steve Smith got 7, between 8-26 innings less.

The most destructive batsman was arguably between David Warner & Brendan McCullum. But I'll give it to BMac because he really stepped up this year(55 sixes, equal number of centuries as AB-4, and played less innings), while Warner has been so dominant from 2013 that every bowler should be sick of him, and CA have been giving him a lot of time off against weak opposition e.g tri-series involving ZIM&SA.

Runs, centuries, strike-rate, boundaries etc, AB cannot claim to be ahead in any way. Not outs due to batting lower have helped him a lot, just as they've helped Steve Smith&Mathews shoot up the rankings, and Dhoni in the past. I know the criteria doesn't say middle-order or opener, but no one can argue that it doesn't help make you appear better than you trully are. Just ask Michael Clarke.

Amla is a great run¢ury-making machine. Only Sanga comes close. Plain&simple.

TL;DR

Short version : AB best batsman of all time, followed by Amla and Sanga?, finally we agree on something.
 
He's trying to coax racist comments out of everyone. Not worth your time IMO.

I know, he has been at it for months now.
I enjoy making him type out these huge paragraphs (which only he understands), then never read them.
 
OK here are the ICC/PWC/LG etc comparisons. They are done by independent computer taking into regard the bowling faced, rates etc etc, so it doesnt really matter who is opening or #4. It does not mean one has scored more centuries than the other....those simplistic stats are for others.

AB's is in light blue
I agree with you. It doesn't take into account bowlers who've been abuse by Amla for 130 overs by the time AB comes on to bat in Tests, or . I'll stick to the simplistic stats. South Africans a tiny fraction of the cricket following public. There are Sri Lankans, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis & Indians too. If you restrict yourself to just a tiny fraction of opinions you might draw the wrong conclusions and find yourself overstating certain figures because you like them more not because they are truly superior to others.

Do you honestly think a Mark Nicholas or Michael Vaughan would bring themselves to say Sanga or Amla are better than AB? If Ab dare loses form expect Kane Williamson to suddenly be the best batsman of those doing the rounds. Did you think they'd even have said Sanga is better than Michael Clarke? Sanga has been dominant for a long time, and should be held at as high regard as Ponting&Lara by now but he's been rated behind KP, Clarke, Warner&AB by using "best batsman currently" phrase at each opportunity. You guys can be hilarious sometimes. In fact, how long before they say Steve Smith is better than Kohli? Things are never as simple as that.

Amla has been so far ahead of a lot of people in Tests&ODIs at various points but it's almost as if his superiority is ignored for some reason. His Runs Per Innings is so far ahead of everypne else it's not even funny.

He's a trendsetter! In 2013, Hashim Amla became the first batsman since Ricky Ponting to head both the Test and ODI rankings at the same time in the latest ICC chart.
 
Amla is the greatest Batsman of current era

http://pakistanrecords.com/amla-greatest-batsman-current-era/

Amla is the greatest Batsman of current era

Hashim Amla is South African right handed batsman who is world no.2 batsman in ICC ODI ranking and no.3 batsman in ICC Test ranking.

Fastest to reach 3000 and 4000 runs fastest to reach 5,15 and 20 centuries

Amla has broken many records during his career:

Hashim Amla Flattens Virat Kohli’s Record, Becomes Fastest to 20 ODI Tons .
His ODI average is almost 56 runs which is highest average for those player who played more than 100 matches.
Amla is first batsman of South Africa who made triple century in test ..
Fastest batsman to reach 3000 runs in just 57 innings, requiring 12 innings fewer than Sir Vivian Richards.
On 8 December 2013, he became the fastest batsman to score 4,000 ODI runs, requiring 8 innings fewer than Sir Vivian Richards.
Amla is fastest batsman to reach 10 centuries in just 57 matches.
In 2013, Hashim Amla became the first batsman since Ricky Ponting to head both the Test and ODI rankings at the same time in the latest ICC charts.
Fastest batsman to reach 15 centuries in just 86 matches in ODI.
Hashim Amla became the fastest to 20 ODI centuries.
He has scored ODI centuries against all test playing countries and only the 4th person to do so. He was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year in 2013.

In 110 ODI matches he scored 5457 runs with the average of almost 55 runs while today (3/3/2015) he made 159 runs against Ireland in worldcup match.

Quotes:
Hashim Amla: A quiet hero

In praise of the unassuming batsman who made history when he became first South African to score a triple Test hundred.(aljazeera)
Hashim Amla is one among many in awe of AB de Villiers’ outrageous shot-making ability.(Espn cricinfo)

Hashim Amla Quote:
"We’ll be going out to win, that’s our first objective."
 
Bottom line mr outcast.... ICC ODI rankings shows AB as number one with # on his tail.... regardless the countless stats you throw at us... ICC says on current form HE is the best...

Sanga's good form has made him surpass AB in test rankings, so the ranking system works... :p

These batters are so close that if one fails or have a bad tour, they will be surpassed by someone else... great for cricketing fans IMO
 
The way I see it is that if AB&Amla were the same race, e.g if they were both white Australians, or Sri Lankans I don't think there'd be any debate whatsoever as to who is the better batsman of the two. I get the sad impression here that many feel uncomfortable giving Amla the nod despite irrefutable stats.

Nah man, why did you go there?

Does it matter if some people don't see him as #1? He is without doubt one of the two best batsmen in the country at the moment and no one will argue against that.

You must also factor in that AB's style of play is more appealing to a wider group of people purely because he is a highlight real. I'd say Hash is the purist's cricketer and purists are in the minority. This is the age of smashing boundaries and scoring centuries in 50 - 60 balls and in that regard AB is more appealing and stands out more.
 
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Almost as often as you make use of the victim card when referring to past and present players of colour..
Not sure if you haven't noticed, but I'm often right. Chester Williams, Sephaka, Paulse, Chiliboy, Ntini, Tsolekile, Gibbs, Phangiso, Alviro, Ashwell Prince etc (later Parnell, Reeza etc) all our high profile players. Do you honestly think they've had or will have pretty biographies? At least I've given you guys a foregleam of some of them. It's been true for most if not all our cricket players of colour. I'm right about the amount of patience, consistency&opportunities they receive compared to lesser performing white players at the same time. if I'm called delusional

Williams lifts lid on racism

By Brendan Gallagher
12:01AM GMT 28 Oct 2002
For nearly a decade now Chester Williams has been the dignified, uncomplaining face of black rugby in South Africa. A World Cup hero, a role model and living proof that the system in post-apartheid South Africa works. Endlessly diplomatic and positive whenever racism was mentioned, black and white alike could be proud of Williams and his achievements.

After the launch of his autobiography today all South Africa can still be proud of Williams - in fact their respect for him should grow - but the rugby community might have to reassess its much-hyped role in South Africa's nation building.

Williams, now South Africa's sevens coach, and his co-author Mark Keohane, the Springboks communications director, have both risked their jobs to tell the story.

"It's something I had to do before I can move on with my life in rugby," Williams said. "There was a lot of stuff that needed saying." Keohane agreed. "Chester's story had to be told, the need to communicate it was much much bigger than my job," he said. "I would have happily resigned if need be. It's the only book I've ever wanted to be involved in."

In essence Williams claims that everything he has achieved has been in spite of the system. Throughout his career he has endured racial abuse, sometimes overt and insulting, sometimes subtle and demoralising.

His World Cup colleague James Small - whose precocious performance at a schoolboy trial inspired the young Williams to take the game seriously - called him a f****** ****** on the pitch and shunned him throughout his career.

Springbok mealtimes became a nightmare. Williams and other black South African players dreaded arriving early and having to choose a table first. They would sit there humiliated, waiting in vain for a white player to join them. There were notable exceptions - Gary Teichmann, Rassie Erasmus, Werner Swanepoel - but the black players could not spend their lives pathetically hoping they would appear at the foot of the stairs.

By the end of his playing career, Williams had grown to detest the quota system whereby Springbok and provincial sides would be required to nominate a minimum of three players of colour in their squads of 22. On the Springbok tour of Britain and Ireland in 2000, coach Harry Viljoen bluntly told Williams he was finished as an international player after the Ireland Test, yet needed him on the bench against England. A cosmetic and cynical selection if ever there was one.

"I found it degrading to be put on the bench just to make up the quota, as was the case against England," Williams said. "I would much rather have been dropped altogether, that would be much more honest."

Williams, in retrospect, also objects to the way his image was used to promote and justify South African rugby, especially during the World Cup of 1995. He feels his story was badly misrepresented.

"I was definitely not a product of any enlightened developmental system put in place to help black and coloured players. No way. I did it the hard way. I fought my way up through the "white" system on merit. I am a rugby player, pure and simple, that is my story."

Both Willams and Keohane believe that an important corner has been turned in the last 12 months or so, and appreciate the South African Rugby Football Union's acquiescence in their project.

"I kept the chief executive Rian Oberholzer and coach Rudolph Straeuli fully informed at all times and they saw the manuscript first," Keohane said. "Perhaps there are passages that embarrass them or with which they disagree, but to sum up Rudi's response: You are here working for us, you believe in us, we must be doing something right. Everybody's imput is valuable, let's move on."

Williams' life story, the race issue apart, is one of the more remarkable. His withdrawal from the squad on the eve of the 1995 World Cup with a hamstring injury was cruelly highlighted a week later when, as an employee of the Western Province union, he had to act as "gofer" and water boy for the Australian bench in South Africa's opening game.

Then came the battle of Port Elizabeth, when two Boks were sent off against Canada and the squad had to be augmented. Williams, fit again, was recalled to the relief of nation's image makers, and the black face of the World Cup celebrated by scoring four tries in the quarter-final against Western Samoa.

Thereafter his life became something of a soap opera - World Cup triumph, quickly followed by the insult of being offered less than other Springbok players by Francois Pienaar, who was recruiting for the doomed World Rugby Corporation. In purely marketing terms, he was second only to Jonah Lomu.

Then came two career-threatening knee injuries which left him on the sidelines for two years, marriage to his childhood sweetheart with President Nelson Mandela as the guest of honour, divorce, remarriage, a return to South Africa colours, the final humiliation under Viljoen, his reincarnation as a sevens coach, a split from his controversial agent and now the book. Never a dull moment.

Underpinning everything, his motivation throughout stemmed from an incident in his childhood days and his hero worship of Wilmot, his older and more talented brother who died of meningitis, aged 21. Like most older brothers he affected to take little interest in his younger sibling, but one day Chester saw a piece of paper on top of Wilmot's school satchel. He sneaked a look. The jotting, alongside Wilmot's maths homework, simply said: "Chester is the best centre, one day he will become a Springbok."

He did, and more.
 
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