HD ready and Full HD

[Dolby]

My head hurts :/

 

[PostmanPot]

Lol.

 

[isie]

Cameraman and editor for a production company - got to say our hours can be horrendous at times - especially with editing, being all deadline driven, but it beats the typical office job!

What do you do?

RF, IF, HDMi etc system design and tech support at an equipment supplier. Some office hours involved, but I do get out a lot. Would love your job though.

would you 2 get a room

 

[PostmanPot]

Must have the breathtaking 50Hz Samsung LA40C530 LCD wall mounted for them to um and ah over, I hear it's highly competent at de-interlacing/motion compensation because of superior circuitry, making it one of the best LCDs for fast paced sport!

 

[Quantum Theory]

Must have the breathtaking 50Hz Samsung LA40C530 LCD wall mounted for them to um and ah over, I hear it's highly competent at de-interlacing/motion compensation because of superior circuitry, making it one of the best LCDs for fast paced sport!

Sport will still look better at 720p, rather than 1080i, on that screen with it's superior deinterlacing

Lots of line doubling going on when the image is moving fast. Not true?

 

[PostmanPot]

Sport will still look better at 720p, rather than 1080i, on that screen with it's superior deinterlacing

Lots of line doubling going on when the image is moving fast. Not true?

Oh I agree with you, in fact I would rather have 720p every time over 1080i for any media.

But sjoe... That TV is something else. State of the art.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Oh I agree with you, in fact I would rather have 720p every time over 1080i for any media.

But sjoe... That TV is something else. State of the art.

Would you rate it better than an entry level plasma?

 

[PostmanPot]

Would you rate it better than an entry level plasma?

Hell yes! Entry level plasma is only 1366x768 !

 

[Roman4604]

Must have the breathtaking 50Hz Samsung LA40C530 LCD ... making it one of the best LCDs for fast paced sport!

No its a budget entry level LCD, well regarded in its category. Even with its shortcomings (only 50/60Hz & CCFL backlit) the R5100-R5500 price tag still makes it a bargin for someone wanting a 40 inch 1920x1080 FHD name brand panel.

And yes one does buy a name brand for the performance of its image processing circuitry. If this is of no concern, then you might as well go for cheaper Logik, HiSense or Sinotec models.

Hell yes! Entry level plasma is only 1366x768 !

I see you like omitting facts when they dont suit you.

The bottom end PS42C430 that you've been punting for donkey's years is only 1024x768 (HD Ready), and is the only Samsung Plasma model available for sub R5000.

 

[PostmanPot]

No its a budget entry level LCD, well regarded in its category. Even with its shortcomings (only 50/60Hz & CCFL backlit) the R5100-R5500 price tag still makes it a bargin for someone wanting a 40 inch 1920x1080 FHD name brand panel.

And yes one does buy a name brand for the performance of its image processing circuitry. If this is of no concern, then you might as well go for cheaper Logik, HiSense or Sinotec models.

I see you like omitting facts when they dont suit you.

The bottom end PS42C430 that you've been punting for donkey's years is only 1024x768 (HD Ready), and is the only Samsung Plasma model available for sub R5000.

I see you conveniently refer to a special price on the LA40C530, where is usually retails at the R6,000 mark.

Point is, 42" HD/720p plasma is almost always R1,000 or more cheaper, and will whip the 40" FHD LCD at anything HD/720p and below, as well as FHD/1080p in terms of sheer picture quality (unless you sit awkwardly close and are a pixel phreak).

 

[Thurnie]

I work in the industry myself.

I think you are referring to certain deinterlacing techniques, and not interlaced footage in general.

M-Net only broadcasts in 720p - so yes, I'm sure most of their content is 720p orientated.

You are right!
It is standard for most broadcasters, globally, to deliver "HD" content in 720p.
Very rarely does any broadcaster deliver in 1080i/p. Almost unheard - due to HD space limitations on the platform.

Purchasing a TV to watch HD content alone - delivered via a satellite broadcaster - the HD ready tv would be sufficient. Actually - to compare HD ready to Full HD is like viewing cells in a microscope. The human eye cant really distinguish the differences all too much. you might see a slight crispness in the 1080i/p, but thats about it.

Save your money and wait for LED tv's to reach the price of normal plasma's...
The quality is much better and it comes at 1080 standard.

 

[PostmanPot]

Save your money and wait for LED tv's to reach the price of normal plasma's...
The quality is much better and it comes at 1080 standard.

 

[Quantum Theory]

You are right!
It is standard for most broadcasters, globally, to deliver "HD" content in 720p.
Very rarely does any broadcaster deliver in 1080i/p. Almost unheard - due to HD space limitations on the platform.

Bandwidth needed for 720p vs 1080i is virtually the same. 1080i does get used for broadcasting. 1080p for broadcasting is almost unheard of. Few trials running in first world countries...

 

[Roman4604]

I see you conveniently refer to a special price on the LA40C530, where is usually retails at the R6,000 mark.

Which is a genuine offer still avaliable (at Makro), unlike your genuine 'pants on fire' statement.

This 720p vs 1080i HDTV debate is pretty pointless, we're in a country with one HD broadcaster so there's no choice. With my HDPVR2P setup to recieve in native format (Original output setting), my TV always reports the signal coming down the HDMI cable is 1920x1080i no matter what HD channel/content is being viewed.

So unless proven otherwise I would say Multichoice broadcasts at 1080i whether we like it or not. This doesnt seem out of the ordinary though, as a quick scan indicates many other major networks also broadcast at 1080i e.g. Sky, RTL, Canal+, CBS, NBC, WB etc.

 

[PostmanPot]

http://www.makro.co.za/live/content...=&Session_ID=26b01da6c1227fa8bffebdf85d9451b6

http://www.makro.co.za/live/content...=&Session_ID=26b01da6c1227fa8bffebdf85d9451b6

I'm having difficulty finding the LA40C530 for R5,000? Seems they don't sell the LA40C530 any more ?

http://www.jump.co.za/prices/3760592-Samsung-LA40C530-Glossy-Black-40-Wide.htm

 

[PostmanPot]

Which is a genuine offer still avaliable (at Makro), unlike your genuine 'pants on fire' statement.

This 720p vs 1080i HDTV debate is pretty pointless, we're in a country with one HD broadcaster so there's no choice. With my HDPVR2P setup to recieve in native format (Original output setting), my TV always reports the signal coming down the HDMI cable is 1920x1080i no matter what HD channel/content is being viewed.

So unless proven otherwise I would say Multichoice broadcasts at 1080i whether we like it or not. This doesnt seem out of the ordinary though, as a quick scan indicates many other major networks also broadcast at 1080i e.g. Sky, RTL, Canal+, CBS, NBC, WB etc.

Same on my 42" 720p plasma, except when set to 720p it's much better. At least watching soccer.

Slow iPhone camera is slow.

10. What are the different HD resolutions, which one does MultiChoice use for HD broadcasts and why?
Resolution is how much detail you can see on a screen. Today, the two HD resolutions available for broadcast are :

720 x 1280, progressive scanning, 50 frames per second (720p50)
1080 x 1920, interlaced scanning, 25 frames per second (1080i25).
The standard for the MultiChoice broadcast of HD content is 720p50, however, MultiChoice may from time to time broadcast in 1080i25.

Thought I'd add this gem.

At normal viewing distances, displays smaller than 127cm (50") do not generally benefit from a horizontal resolution higher than 720. The progressive scanning characteristic of 720p has a
significant advantage over interlaced for fast moving content like sport ie. smoothness of fast motion. Progressive scanning with 1080 horizontal lines (1080p) is currently not available for
broadcasting.

720p > 1080i.

 

[Roman4604]

I'm having difficulty finding the LA40C530 for R5,000? Seems they don't sell the LA40C530 any more

Here we go ... http://www.makro.co.za/p/47354/samsung-40-fhd-plus-pvr-decoder-plus-drifta-bundle/

I see Makro's special on the HDPVR2P @ R1299 has ended, so cost of TV is ...

Total @ R6999 minus HDPVR2P @ R1499 minus Drifta @R599 leaving cost of TV to be R 4901

720p > 1080i.

Well thats a matter of opinion, anyways if the source is recorded in 1080i, downscaling to 720p is not give you the same as 720p source recorded.

Here are some shots of 1080i on a 1080p panel (above mentioned TV displaying last episode of Survivor SA off catchup). These downsized shots from my iPhone4 dont really do it justice though, the image is a lot clearer & sharper than what you're seeing ...

 

[PostmanPot]

Here we go ... http://www.makro.co.za/p/47354/samsung-40-fhd-plus-pvr-decoder-plus-drifta-bundle/

I see Makro's special on the HDPVR2P @ R1299 has ended, so cost of TV is ...

Total @ R6999 minus HDPVR2P @ R1499 minus Drifta @R599 leaving cost of TV to be R 4901

Stop BSing. Your TV usually costs R6,000 when not on special. Again, nice how you conveniently refer to a special price when making your argument.

Well thats a matter of opinion, anyways if the source is recorded in 1080i, downscaling to 720p is not give you the same as 720p source recorded.

HD PVR is 720p and sometimes 1080i i.e. mostly 720p. Thank heavens. Anyone who prefers 1080i over 720p is mad.

Here are some shots of 1080i on a 1080p panel (above mentioned TV displaying last episode of Survivor SA off catchup). These downsized shots from my iPhone4 dont really do it justice though, the image is a lot clearer & sharper than what you're seeing ...

Doubt it. Remember the ±30 people who have bought 42" plasma have put it up against your very TV - LA40C530 - and chosen the plasma. Cheaper, bigger, and better (if you're not a pixel phreak).

 

[isie]

So unless proven otherwise I would say Multichoice broadcasts at 1080i whether we like it or not. This doesnt seem out of the ordinary though, as a quick scan indicates many other major networks also broadcast at 1080i e.g. Sky, RTL, Canal+, CBS, NBC, WB etc.

check you DSTV decoder setinga its might be set to 1080 thats probaly upscaling so your tv thinks its at 1080

 

[Roman4604]

you conveniently refer to a special price when making your argument.

I've not hidden this, mentioning it in numerous previous posts. Fact remains, the offer is avaliable and if taken up one will get the TV for the price indicated taking into account the value of bundled decoders.

If you ask me this is just clever bundling/promoting. Chances are someone in the market for a budget flatscreen is most probably a first time buyer into HD, and as such the probablity is high they would also be wanting to upgrade to a HD decoder at the same time.

The Drifta is thrown in as a sweetner, which I derive great value from. Works nice with my iPad, but day-to-day its permanently connected to the work desktop via USB allowing me to have a small window on my desktop to monitor news (CNN, eNews), or follow a live match on the Supersport channels.

HD PVR is 720p and sometimes 1080i i.e. mostly 720p.

Now who's blatantly lying again, as you did above by stating the minimum resolution of low end Plasma is 1366x768, when we all know it is 1024x768 (e.g. Samsung PSXXC430 range and many other non branded low-end sets).

Do you actually own a DSTV HDPVR? From you responses (contradicting your own screenshots) its seems like you're just making this up as you go.

check you DSTV decoder setinga its might be set to 1080 thats probaly upscaling so your tv thinks its at 1080

Check higher up in that post ...

With my HDPVR2P setup to recieve in native format (Original output setting), my TV always reports the signal coming down the HDMI cable is 1920x1080i no matter what HD channel/content is being viewed.

I've been checking frequently with HDPVR set to Original output and am still always seeing 1920x1080i@50Hz coming down the HDMI cable. Also my TV will show a small decal indicating the HDMI input signal has changed, so I would catch it during normal viewing.

Until I see the HDPVR switching the signal to 1280x720p@50Hz by itself, I will take the 'Multichoice sometimes broadcasts in 720p' as pure conjecture.

PS: To get to the setting hit Menu on the HDPVR2P remote, go to 5. Advanced Options (PIN is 9949), then select 2. Equipment Setup, then High Definition Output (HDMI) and choose Original (should be default). Other options avaliable are Native (assume match TV max), 576p, 720p & 1080i (lock to formats).