Helen Zille arrested

crysis said:
Well i wont lie, that is indeed the truth. Or at least the direction i see this government of ours (ANC) moving towards.
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If it was moving perhaps we would see some progress: instead it seems an immovable wall of [-]prejudice[/-] propaganda. Building higher instead of taking it down.
 
GavinMannion said:
Good god man did you not read the thread?

It was an organised march with police protection, they had to be there, she broke the law in front of them, what would you expect them to do..

Personally I think they should be arresting the drug dealers as well but she can't claim innocence in this.
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alloytoo said:
There seems to be a difference of opinion on this.

The rules of the march were clearly set out, Firstly that the marchers were to keep moving, and secondly that designated persons were to present petitions to the alledged drug dealers.

The first person arrested was such a designated person as specified in the rules of the march.

Helen Zille then went to the police station to enquires as to why said person was arrested.

She was then arrested at the police station (not on the march)

Is it now illegal to make enquiries at a police station?
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GavinMannion said:
Again it very much depends on who's side you listen to... The original arrest seemed to be from the guy banging on the door which was not allowed. Helen was then arrested for doing a similar thing but her arrest only came later...

I'm not picking sides...
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@Gavin,

You really shot your credibility and your argument in the foot here.
You strongly defended a point of view, and changed your argument the moment it was challenged.

You must have learned that kind of manoeuvring from politicians.

BTW, you took sides right from the begginning of this thread by assuming that Zille was guilty. Your argument has been far from impartial, so the statement: "I am not picking sides" is a very feeble, half-hearted retreat at best.

Zille has been on protest marches for a large part of her life (both against apartheid and the ANC). Do you not think she knows what is legal and illegal? For my own part I would say far more so than some members of the police. She has also proven to be very much correct and by-the-book. It is hardly likely that she would make a careless slip up here.

On the other hand, the political powers have great reason to make a statement.

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This behaviour is entirely consistent with the ANC's general conduct in Cape Town since the DA took control of the city. As each attempt fails, so the attempts become more desperate.

I truly wonder why the ANC is so scared. What are they so afraid of, that they cannot afford to accept one defeat gracefully. Is it perhaps because they know their government is corrupt and inefficient, and fear that a properly functioning government might show them up?

Either way, the ANC's conduct in Cape Town has been nothing short of paranoid.
 
I wouldn't mind at all to see Helen Zille taken out of the equation. She is a confrontational ***** that will still do race relations in this country a lot of harm.
 
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According to both reports she did transcend the law... I have also stated I don't expect any charges to be brought against her and that I feel she is doing this for publicity...

I don't trust either side which is why I am impartial, a lot of people on this forum enjoy jumping to conclusions without checking the information first... I said I have now seen both sides and am now waiting for the truth
 
@Tassidar, Zille may very well know the law better than the cops, but this morning on SaFM she said she broke the law, but for a good reason.

Having said that, I do think that the cops were out of line and over-reacted. I'm not sure why this is being seen as an ANC action (apart from the obvious anc-antipathy by many here) - the ANc have also condemned the actions of the police.
 
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GavinMannion said:
Good god man did you not read the thread?
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By Golly my old man indeed I did! What is your point?

GavinMannion said:
It was an organised march with police protection, they had to be there, she broke the law in front of them, what would you expect them to do...
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Let's look at a quote from the press, and then look at your own inane ramblings....

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In ugly scenes, police dragged screaming women and teenagers into the charge office as relatives and bystanders tried to intervene. An incensed Zille walked to the police station and was taken to an office.

She emerged minutes later, saying she had not been arrested, only to be called back, when - in the presence of her lawyer, Stuart Pringle - she was formally taken into custody.

Maker was bundled into a police van after Zille had knocked on an alleged drug dealer's gate. A police officer alleged that knocking on the door fell outside the conditions of the march. An irritated Zille then told police that they should arrest her too.

Later, at the end of the march, Zille and Mitchells Plain police Director Jeremy Vearey had a verbal exchange in which she demanded to know what law Maker had broken.

Zille said she would lodge a civil claim against the police for wrongful arrest and malicious prosecution.

Last night, police spokesperson Elliot Siyangana said they had met march organisers beforehand, and agreed on conditions including no firearms, no stopping, and no entering alleged drug dealers' premises.

"During the march, one of the protesters violated the conditions by instigating the group, including the mayor, to act illegally at the premises of an alleged dealer," said Siyangana.
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Mmm, seems like the march was LEGAL?
Mmm, seems like Helen Zille was only arrested after showing her concern as to why one of the marchers was arrested during a LEGAL march?
Mmm, knocking on a gate, and entering a premises are not the same, so no-one acted outside of the conditions set for the march?

Mmm, seems like you agreed, and then made the following statement....

GavinMannion said:
Well after reading a bit more it does look like the SAPS have made a monumental mistake.. From reading Helen's (one sided) view it instantly looks like the cops have been paid off to protect the drug lords. I am sure she is not going to let it go anytime soon though ;)
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and then amazingly you made the following u-turn!....
GavinMannion said:
Seriously people, the suspected drug dealers did not break the law in front of a police officer. She did and couldn't expect to get away with it... Hopefully she has brought enough attention down on the drug dealers with her antics to get them arrested as well..
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How did she break the law? By entering the police station? By enquiring why marchers where arested during a LEGAL march? By annoying the ANC? Please give me a link to an article explaining why the arrest was justified? Or are you going with the police statement (obviously prepared by their ANC masters) that they had been "gathering illegally" in front of the Mitchell's Plain Police Station? Don't make me laugh! Since when is it illegal to go to a police station?

GavinMannion said:
Now instead of hammering on against the cops (who did their job)
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They should rather focus on catching criminals, than people knocking on gates of said criminals houses....


GavinMannion said:
or against the ANC (WTF?) rather concentrate on pushing for the drug dealers to be arrested and charged..
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That is exactly what Zille is trying to achieve by raising awareness, and also demonstrating that these criminals are well known in the communities, it is only the corrupt ANC lapdogs in the Police that ignores this fact.....
And the ANC is directly involved in this, through the Western Cape Minister for Community Safety, Leonard Ramatlakane, who would rather waste resources intimidating ANC oponents, than ensuring community safety.


GavinMannion said:
Oh and this Zim 2 crap is really annoying.
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I'm sure the poor Zimbabwean citizens also thought that it will be impossible for a small bunch of idiots to ruin their whole country....

GavinMannion said:
Zimbabwe was NEVER anywhere close to being as advanced as South Africa is now... your doom mongering is boring.
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Advanced in what sense? Some ANC leaders still think a shower will cure AIDS. In actual fact some ANC leaders does not even realise that AIDS is caused by a virus! Does not sound too advanced to me?

Zim police arrest demonstrating activists
Zimbabwe cops arrest 220 protesters
Zim cops arrest 46 at Mother's Day march
MDC leader held as police crush rally
Just a few samples of how the Zim gov is using the police to intimidate ordinary people in Zimbabwe.


GavinMannion said:
Personally I think they should be arresting the drug dealers as well but she can't claim innocence in this.
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Let's hope this happens, at least some good will come of it.....
 
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I give up....

She admitted she broke the law.
She was arrested.
She was let go.
If this gets taken further by the courts I will be very afraid.
I don't support the DA or ANC
We are nothing like Zimbabwe...

That is the last I am adding to this thread...

Hey stop cheering in the corner ;)
 
chiskop said:
She's appearing in court tomorrow, ZimB0Bwe here we come! ;)
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I'm sure there have been a few phone calls between ol' Charles, ol' Jackie and the station commander who thought he could walk on water. :p
 
Do we see the ANC now distancing themselves form the actions of the cops now it has turned into a lose/lose situation? The old scapegoat tactic once again!
 
GavinMannion said:
I give up....

She admitted she broke the law.
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In which interview was that?

She was arrested.
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She was arrested under an apartheid era law for gathering illegally outside a police station.

Do we, the public, have to do a headcount next time we go to the police station?

Do we have to distance ourselves from our fellow citizens incase we're misconstued as an illegal gathering.

What about classrooms, or cinemas......OMG all the 2010 soccer games will definately be illegal....

(as an aside how come Jacob Zuma's supporters were never arrested for gathering outside the courts?)

Have a banana.

If this gets taken further by the courts I will be very afraid.
I don't support the DA or ANC
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Do you disparage the ANC as enthusiatically as you do the DA?

We are nothing like Zimbabwe...
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Yet we do nothing about Zimbabwe....It's very reassuring.

It also looks brilliant when the BBC and other news agencies refer to Zille as "an anti-apartheid activist."

More bananas sir?
 
Ricard said:
As predictable as the sun rising...

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2180982,00.html
The ANC has distanced itself at national level from the arrest of DA leader and Cape Town mayor Helen Zille - adding that she should be "treated with a measure of respect".
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Zille's struggle credentials are really posing a strategic problem for the ANC....all the old dismissive tactics don't really fly with the woman who broke the Steve Biko story.
 
alloytoo said:
Zille's struggle credentials are really posing a strategic problem for the ANC....all the old dismissive tactics don't really fly with the woman who broke the Steve Biko story.
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Bang on the money.
 
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