Hijacker Killer labelled a racist

[Sneeky]

"SINGISWATIM" is probably a hijacker, himself

Yeah, his low life mates got wasted and now he is an unhappy camper.
The idjuts walk amongst us everyday, polluting our society.

 

[R/SGT]

Here is a real D**S

The brutal South African Police Services and why few feel comfortable approaching them for help

So the "hero" of an attempted hijacking in Gauteng, WHITE police reservist, Captain Marc Ishlove, who shot dead two alleged hijackers is also a racist thug.
Right after he had shot and killed two alleged hijackers, he then pounced on an unsuspecting BLACK motorist (first name Fungai) and arrested him. For what? For the crime of being BLACK, that’s what.
Not only that, but Fungai’s 9 year old daughter was detained by police and interrogated for hours for no good reason.
In exasperation, she retorted to her police victimisers, "Why are you asking me these ridiculous questions!?"
A nine-year-old child was held and questioned at the Fairland police station for hours after her father was wrongfully detained following a shootout in which two hijackers were killed.
Suddenly the reservist comes up to me, pointing his gun and ordering me out the car.
"He said to me ‘Get out the car or you will end up like those other two guys’," said Fungai.
What a ****ing hero you are Ishlove. You’re a damned racist disgrace, that’s what you are!
In other news, a group of unsuspecting municipal workers almost landed themselves in serious trouble when they discovered a dicarded cache of anti-aircraft ammunition that had been thrown into the drainage system they were working on.
Police have appealed to people with illegal or unwanted ammunition to instead hand it over to the SAPS bomb squad instead of throwing it away themselves.
My response to that is, "Yeah, right!"
Like people are going to risk arrest doing that? Despite your assurances (actually, I don’t see any assurances), I estimate the chances of being arrested by SAPS’ personnel as high, should anyone wish to hand in illegal ammunition.
It’s time for a complete white wash of the South African Police Services. Perhaps if we can get rid of all the racist neanderthals in the SAPS, ordinary South Africans will actually regard the Police as people that are approachable.
You’re supposed to SERVE US, not arrest us, you bastards!

http://capetownnews.co.za/2007/12/0...w-feel-comfortable-approaching-them-for-help/

 

[JK8]

Its wrong IMO..... It could have turned out differently and the hijacker could have been saved but then also both the lady and reservist could have been killed.

But as a reservist you cant just shoot at what you think is a criminal act.
What stops this guy from just sitting at roadside cafes and playing Time Crissis with anything that looks like a criminal act?

Ahh that guy crossed the street, is that a gun in his pocket *bang*
Stupid taxi driver hit the red robot and scrathed that Merc *bang*
Hey that Black guy is holding the white girls hand!!! Probably trying to steal her watch *bang*

He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.

 

[Telkomisaloser]

He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.

And what happens when the warned & frightened criminal shoots and kills you & the innocent victim

He was threatening to take a innocent lady's life...

 

[Ivan...]

Here is a real D**S

Link?
EDIT: Thanks
That article links to an IOL article explaining what happened.
This Ishlove guy does sound like an ass, but the article doesn't read too objective either things like:

After being kept in an unventilated police van for an hour, he was taken to Fairland police station.

Hah, all vans are not ventilated properly, thats why if ever, ever they want to arrest you you ask if they cant escort you in your own car or be taken in one of the other cars.

"This morning my hands were still numb from the handcuffs. I couldn't pick up stuff earlier," he said.

Grow some balls, "handcuffs aren't bracelets"

Before I get quoted here for being an ass myself, I think how Ishlove handled this situation (with mr "Fungai") is wrong, and that he should be prased for helping a woman being hijacked but prosecuted for not following the right procedures (unless ofcourse he can prove that a warning shot might have worsened the situation, via witnesses etc) and be given a warning for treating mr "Fungai" and his daughter like that.

 

[icyrus]

Unfortunately common sense is not so common.

Here is the bottom line: No-one takes out a gun and points it at someone unless they intend to harm them. Once a criminal is pointing a weapon at a victim his intent has already been broadcast load and clear.

It reminds me of a great line by Gene Hackman from Crimson Tide "You don't put on a condom unless you're gonna ****!".

 

[Pitbull]

Its wrong IMO..... It could have turned out differently and the hijacker could have been saved but then also both the lady and reservist could have been killed.

But as a reservist you cant just shoot at what you think is a criminal act.
What stops this guy from just sitting at roadside cafes and playing Time Crissis with anything that looks like a criminal act?

Ahh that guy crossed the street, is that a gun in his pocket *bang*
Stupid taxi driver hit the red robot and scrathed that Merc *bang*
Hey that Black guy is holding the white girls hand!!! Probably trying to steal her watch *bang*

He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.

I understand where you're coming from.

But look at this.

Did he kill anyone except for the Highjackers ?
Did he hit any bystanders ?
Did he arrest or just shoot the driver pulling away that could have been suspected of being an accomplise ?

If your awnser to any of the above is yes then I agree with you

 

[JK8]

And what happens when the warned & frightened criminal shoots and kills you & the innocent victim

He was threatening to take a innocent lady's life...

I know that could have happened.

But he is trained to handle situations like this. He know the implications if the laws are not followed!!
He probably shot without thinking.

If theres someone on your property carrying a gun, will you just shoot him from your balcony? - You will get into trouble for that.

 

[Sweetlicks]

I think he should have said drop the weapon or something, tough call....

what utter garbage man!!! The animal had a GUN TO THE WOMAN!!!

 

[dlk001]

Ahh that guy crossed the street, is that a gun in his pocket *bang*
Stupid taxi driver hit the red robot and scrathed that Merc *bang*
Hey that Black guy is holding the white girls hand!!! Probably trying to steal her watch *bang*

He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.

I have often felt threatened by white men carrying guns for decades. I never trusted them because I've heard many stories of people being shot and made it look like a criminal offense. Nothing has really changed in my perception except that, now its not about race, I fear criminals full stop.

I would be very grateful to Marc Ishlove had I been the victim. Despite what the Law says, given the high probability of someone dying during the incident, I'd rather see the robber die and myself saved.

 

[R/SGT]

Link?

Sorry added link

 

[Nod]

If theres someone on your property carrying a gun, will you just shoot him from your balcony? - You will get into trouble for that.

Not the same thing, now is it? The guy already had his gun against the womans neck. His intent was to shoot. You don't pull a gun or put it against another person, if you are not willing to use it.

Further more, you keep on talking about the "law", but do you know what the law states exactly?

Also, if he is trained, he wouldn't act without thinking. It is the purpose of getting training, to react and assess the situation quicker.

 

[Telkomisaloser]

I know that could have happened.

But he is trained to handle situations like this. He know the implications if the laws are not followed!!
He probably shot without thinking.

If theres someone on your property carrying a gun, will you just shoot him from your balcony? - You will get into trouble for that.

"But he is trained to handle situations like this" - You sure said it... He's been trained and knows how to deal with criminals like those, Get some training first being giving out advice

"someone on your property carrying a gun" - Yeah I rather be alive than dead

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Its quite funny tho, It seems that the person who made the comment is trying to pull race into it. If you read the article it doesnt mention anywhere that the would-be hijackers were actually black.
But in the comment the first thing mentioned is hatred towards blacks.

Sad state of affairs this country is in.
Either way, you cant announce youself to someone who is holding a gun to a victims head. both you and the victim will be dead before you actually have a chance to do anything.

Its not like in the movies where you point your gun and them and they drop theirs and put their hands up, they *will* try and shoot you first.

 

[JK8]

Not the same thing, now is it? The guy already had his gun against the womans neck. His intent was to shoot. You don't pull a gun or put it against another person, if you are not willing to use it.

Further more, you keep on talking about the "law", but do you know what the law states exactly?

Also, if he is trained, he wouldn't act without thinking. It is the purpose of getting training, to react and assess the situation quicker.

Why is he now being investigated? He reacted and accessed and now? He's answerable for his actions.

As for the race thing... lol I wonder if he pulled a Die Hard line... Yippie Ka yay something something.......

 

[Pitbull]

Why is he now being investigated? He reacted and accessed and now? He's answerable for his actions.

As for the race thing... lol I wonder if he pulled a Die Hard line... Yippie Ka yay something something.......

Any killing is investigated. Self defence, murder, which ever. an Inquest docket is opened. Only after the Proc. Auth. Had a look at what happend they then either close the case or prosecute. He won't be prosecuted

 

[Nod]

Why is he now being investigated? He reacted and accessed and now? He's answerable for his actions.

As was mentioned on this forums before. All persons are investigated if they defend themselves or somebody else. It's a formality. Should there be a finding that he did break the law, then he will be charged.

Being investigated does not imply that you did something wrong. It only indicates that due process is followed, as it should.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

But as a reservist you cant just shoot at what you think is a criminal act.


He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.

Right, so someone demanding a womans wedding ring and her car, while holding a gun to her neck is what he "thinks" is a criminal act? seriously how could you even debate something like that?


And with regards to him warning the criminal, in certain situations he should do that. This one however could have caused more danger to the victim.
The criminals are also required to warn you, gun laws and all. Do they warn you? generally not.

 

[Nod]

duplicate

 

[Zing]

Zing is an ex-SAPS patrol/explosives dog handler, who left with the rank of inspector after 18 years in the SAPS. The captain acted correctly. One should not fire a warning shot in the city, due to ricochet. the law also makes provision for the person not to call out if he/she believes that such action would place the attackers intended victim at greater risk.
Hurrah for the Captain.