Hijacker Killer labelled a racist

Like it matters if the gun was loaded or not. A gun is always loaded and if you point it then you are breaking the law and can be shot by another person.
What does the law say? Go and look it up.
These bastards were a direct threat on someones life and it was the duty of anyone there to stop these animals by reasonable force. That is what he did. Pitty there are not more like him.
Funny how every insect comes out of the woodwork to comment on how bad the cop is. What a joke.
 
The freaking guy was already out on bail for MURDER !! **** him and I hope he burns in hell. I have no respect for any person here who is sitting on the fence. Listen to the witness statements.
 
I see no reason for remorse. He did the right thing.

As for someone on my property, I believe I should be allowed to kill an intruder. This is particular true when dealing with potentially vicious criminals.
 
SINGISWATIM? Maybe this fellow?

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Forum/196/17/5734.html

As to Mr "Fungai" I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And yea, it sounds like Ishlove acted hard-handedly, but in this country, making the mistake of not acting hard-handedly enough can and does get you killed.

Once Mr Fungai receives the apology he deserves, I would call it a very satisfactory ending to an attempted hijack.

This is what "a highjacking gone wrong" should look like.
 
Koos Custodiet said:
SINGISWATIM? Maybe this fellow?

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Forum/196/17/5734.html

As to Mr "Fungai" I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And yea, it sounds like Ishlove acted hard-handedly, but in this country, making the mistake of not acting hard-handedly enough can and does get you killed.

Once Mr Fungai receives the apology he deserves, I would call it a very satisfactory ending to an attempted hijack.

This is what "a highjacking gone wrong" should look like.
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I lost in terrest here:

Its not always easy to make a business plan in this industry since no-one comes-up with sellable ideas where they can put on paper its rewards.
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I would hate to read his script.... and I'm not even English :eek:
 
Hopefully this will clear up some of the questions

Warning - Is killing ever justified?

Section 49 of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1977, provides that, where a person is to be arrested for one of the serious Schedule 1 offences or for attempting to commit one of those offences and the arrester, whether a police officer, a private individual or someone assisting in the arrest, 'cannot arrest him or prevent him from fleeing by other means than by killing him, the killing shall be deemed to be justifiable homicide'.

When someone claims protection under this provision, the onus is on that person to prove that the requirements of Section 49 have been met: that the offence was one that gives the right to kill; that, if the arrest was based on a suspicion that an offence had been committed, the suspicion was reasonable; that a proper attempt had been made to arrest the offender; and that there was no other way in which the suspect could reasonably have been prevented from escaping. A person cannot kill without first trying all feasible alternative means to arrest a suspect. There is no truth in the long-held belief that a property owner may shoot someone merely for trespassing
http://www.legalcity.net/Index.cfm?fuseaction=rights.article&Index=A&ArticleID=3904683.
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JK8 said:
I know that could have happened.

But he is trained to handle situations like this. He know the implications if the laws are not followed!!
He probably shot without thinking.

If theres someone on your property carrying a gun, will you just shoot him from your balcony? - You will get into trouble for that.
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Perhaps one day when you're lying on the ground with a gun to your throat someone will come to your aid, like he did.

He probably shot without thinking.
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You most likely wrote that without thinking either.
 
JK8 said:
Its wrong IMO..... It could have turned out differently and the hijacker could have been saved but then also both the lady and reservist could have been killed.

But as a reservist you cant just shoot at what you think is a criminal act.
What stops this guy from just sitting at roadside cafes and playing Time Crissis with anything that looks like a criminal act?

Ahh that guy crossed the street, is that a gun in his pocket *bang*
Stupid taxi driver hit the red robot and scrathed that Merc *bang*
Hey that Black guy is holding the white girls hand!!! Probably trying to steal her watch *bang*

He needs to warn the criminal, he is trained to do this sort of thing.
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Show me a hijacker that is worth saving.

Anyhow, that aside I have decided to rise to the trollish nature of your post:

In this country we have decided that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. The point rising from your arguement (as silly as it is) is that no policeman (reservist or not) would ever be able to shoot anyone. In fact, if the hijacker you wanted to save walked up to you, and put a gun against your head and was pulling the trigger, then nobody should interfere and you can die and the hijacker can have his day in court.

Fortunately, and probably to protect society from hijackers and people like you we do have laws that actually allow anyone to take the hijackers out. Not because they think a bulge in a pair of trousers is an unfriendly weapon, but because it is the right thing to do. But perhaps you'd rather wear some distinguishing item of clothing so should anyone ever come across you being hijacked (and I hope that never happens) they should rather shout 'Stop, or I'll shoot' 3 times.

If the reservist acted inappropriately the law will deal with him. But on the evidence discussed in the media and from eyewitness testimony, it all looks justifiable. And a job well done.

Seriously now - it is a sad society that we live in where we applaud people being gunned down. But it is still nice to know that if we get into trouble that there are some people brave enough to set aside their own safety and come to our rescue. And I'd never want that to stop.
 
Albereth said:
Show me a hijacker that is worth saving.

Anyhow, that aside I have decided to rise to the trollish nature of your post:

In this country we have decided that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. The point rising from your arguement (as silly as it is) is that no policeman (reservist or not) would ever be able to shoot anyone. In fact, if the hijacker you wanted to save walked up to you, and put a gun against your head and was pulling the trigger, then nobody should interfere and you can die and the hijacker can have his day in court.

Fortunately, and probably to protect society from hijackers and people like you we do have laws that actually allow anyone to take the hijackers out. Not because they think a bulge in a pair of trousers is an unfriendly weapon, but because it is the right thing to do. But perhaps you'd rather wear some distinguishing item of clothing so should anyone ever come across you being hijacked (and I hope that never happens) they should rather shout 'Stop, or I'll shoot' 3 times.

If the reservist acted inappropriately the law will deal with him. But on the evidence discussed in the media and from eyewitness testimony, it all looks justifiable. And a job well done.

Seriously now - it is a sad society that we live in where we applaud people being gunned down. But it is still nice to know that if we get into trouble that there are some people brave enough to set aside their own safety and come to our rescue. And I'd never want that to stop.
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HEAR HEAR !!!!
 
the suspects posed no threat to no-one and the gun was produced as a last resort to deter the victim and it therefore is imperative that the gun was not to shoot her but to get her to obey the order to hand over her ring.
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ROFLMAO. Thats the funniest thing I have seen for a long time. Storm in a teacup. The guy did good and acted fully within the framework of the law. But you'll always get some idiots making stupid comments.
 
funny how ppl stand up for criminals, no wonder they run around doing what they want

jk8 dude i know your doing this to get ppl going but if your not i hope one day nobody comes to your rescue in that sort of situation

then you will think about thread and wish there was a reservist who didnt think before he shot
 
JK8 said:
If theres someone on your property carrying a gun, will you just shoot him from your balcony? - You will get into trouble for that.
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Nope - you won't. Well, not anymore than is usual.

If you kill someone you will be charged with culpable homicide. If the person is unarmed and you pot him then the sanction is going to be fairly severe. However, if you believe your life to be in danger, well you are clear. Even if it turns out that the perp is "armed" with a toy gun.

You have a right to self defense. And that speaks to your state of mind rather than an empirical test of the state of the fire arm and the competency of the potential shooter.
 
noxibox said:
I see no reason for remorse. He did the right thing.

As for someone on my property, I believe I should be allowed to kill an intruder. This is particular true when dealing with potentially vicious criminals.
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A person may employ deadly force, if he/she believes that his/her life is in immediate, imminent danger and he/she truely believes that if he/she does not employ deadly force, he/she would forfeit his/her life.

Obviously first prize is to wound the aggressor. Someone who is across the room waving a knife at you does not pose and immediate and imminent danger to you. Someone who is running away from you does not pose a danger to you. You will go to jail. Even if that person has already stabbed you and is leaving you, and you have the strength to get your firearm and then track down the thug, you may not shoot if he is running away. You will go to jail.
 
You may also shoot if you believe the life of another person is in immediate and imminent danger.
 
JK8 said:
One question.... was the hijackers gun loaded?
I know the reservist wouldnt have known but I want to....:)
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Well, one of the hijackers shot at him. So a gun was loaded.

And @R/SGT - trespassing isn't a Schedule 1 offense. And that section of the Criminal Procedures Act (I think that's its name) is about use of force while executing an arrest. There was no attempt at effecting an arrest.

Scary thing is that if Fungai had tried to run after he was told to lie on the floor - he could have been shot even though he was innocent. He was a suspect in a schedule 1 offence. Fortunately there was enough presence of mind.

I am not trying to excuse the trauma that Fungai went through, or even saying he was lucky not to get shot. Crappy times do mean that some of us will be inconvenienced - I'll try and remember that next time I get stopped in a road block.
 
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