HIV created by the West

VJB 449 said:
You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe stuff like this.

And to think that there are people who have no problem with Ahmadinejad having nukes. This guy is one crazy POS.
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Not saying he didn't say it but i'm having trouble finding a link that isn't just backing only to the "telegraph".
Where/when did Ahmadinejad actually say this?
Link anybody?
 
Tun@ said:
Not saying he didn't say it but i'm having trouble finding a link that isn't just backing only to the "telegraph".
Where/when did Ahmadinejad actually say this?
Link anybody?
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Cant seem to find any others, probabily just another part of the ongoing propaganda war on Iran and on the most mis-quoted man in politics today. :whistle:
 
If anything he would comment on the iminent war, not about HIV conspiracies.

I wouldn't write off his theory on HIV completely. Its also very naïve to call it a form of natural selection, its a very real disease especially in our country.
 
Haldex said:
If anything he would comment on the iminent war, not about HIV conspiracies.

I wouldn't write off his theory on HIV completely. Its also very naïve to call it a form of natural selection, its a very real disease especially in our country.
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Sorry, I don't mean to be crass, and I feel for the families of those who have suffered because of it, but if it is avoidable then how is it not natural selection?

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IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE WESTERN CAPE

Affidavit of Leonard George Horowitz evidencing the Origin of AIDS sourcing from Hepatitus B Vaccine experiments conducted by Agents and Agencies of the Federal Government of the United States of America and the Merck Pharmaceutical Company

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Several alternative hypotheses for the origin of AIDS have been proposed. AIDS denialism argues that HIV or AIDS does not exist or that AIDS is not caused by HIV; some of its proponents believe that AIDS is caused by lifestyle, including sexuality or drug use. Some conspiracy theories allege that HIV was created in a bioweapons laboratory, perhaps as an agent of genocide or an accident. These hypotheses have been rejected by scientific consensus.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS#Discredited_theories

Various conspiracy theories and other such hypotheses have arisen to speculate about the origins of HIV and AIDS. These alternative ideas range from suggestions that AIDS was the inadvertent result of experiments in the development of vaccines, to claims that human immunodeficiency virus was developed by scientists working for the U.S. government. While a few reputable mainstream scientists once investigated some of these theories as reasonable hypotheses, this is no longer the case, as continuing research has invalidated the alternative ideas. The current scientific consensus is that AIDS originated in Africa in the mid 1930s from the closely related Simian Immunodeficiency Virus.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discredited_AIDS_origins_theories
 
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Timeline of HIV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_AIDS

Logic: Surely if this conspiracy theory about manufactured HIV was true, every non-white doctor or medical specialist/researcher in the world would have objected or raised hell about it.
(similar to the moon landing is fake conspiracy.. the Russians would have rung the bell loud and clear, was this the case)

I can imagine just how impressionable (ripe for indoctrination), all the uneducated/uninformed sods in the world are, and now with their lack of basic education, they flock to conspiracy theories and half-baked titbits of info, grabbing onto to bits of information they don't understand at all.

Yes, these people know more than Virologists, the internet has made intelligent - not !
 
"The Iranian president also claimed there was no homosexuals in Iran."

Iran performs the highest amount of "sex change" (sexual reassignment) operations, 2nd to Thailand. Iran Govt picks up about 50% of the tab - go figure the motive
 
Haven't we been 'round this mulberry bush a few times? You've got to be a whackadoodle of note to give any credence to this twaddle.
 
Tun@ said:
Not saying he didn't say it but i'm having trouble finding a link that isn't just backing only to the "telegraph".
Where/when did Ahmadinejad actually say this?
Link anybody?
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Neither can i but most of the silly folk on this forum only want proof when it is about their beloved Western governments.
 
wrathex said:
Logic: Surely if this conspiracy theory about manufactured HIV was true, every non-white doctor or medical specialist/researcher in the world would have objected or raised hell about it.

I can imagine just how impressionable (ripe for indoctrination), all the uneducated/uninformed sods in the world are, and now with their lack of basic education, they flock to conspiracy theories and half-baked titbits of info, grabbing onto to bits of information they don't understand at all.
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Manufactured is possible, a biological warfare experiment gone wrong more likely, something nobody would admit to anyway.

Human experimentation has happened, and probabily as we speak is happening somewhere.

I would suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experiment

Also Unethical human experimentation in the United States
Pharmacological research
From 1988 to 2008, the number of overseas clinical trials for drugs intended for American consumption increased by 2,000%, to approximately 6,500 trials. These trials are often conducted in areas with large numbers of poor and illiterate people who grant their consent by signing an "X" or making a thumb print on a form. These tests are rarely monitored by the FDA, and have in some cases proved deadly, such as a case where 49 babies died in New Delhi, India during a 30-month trial. The cost of testing in countries without safety regulations is much lower; and, due to lax or nonexistent oversight, pharmaceutical corporations (or research companies they've contracted out to) are able to more easily suppress research that demonstrates harmful effects and only report positive results
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM

"The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies."

"The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]."

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Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334.
In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79.
Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882
In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375.
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http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/experiments.htm

The following is a link to a law firm,one of their fields of litigation is : Bioethics and Clinical Trials Litigation
Their Documents On Human Experimentation section is enlightening.
http://www.sskrplaw.com/lawyer-attorney-1472325.html

Never underestimate the lengths some will go to achieve their goals in their chosen field, medical research is no different, and not everyone suffers with ethics and morality in holding them back.
 
Nanfeishen said:
Manufactured is possible, a biological warfare experiment gone wrong more likely, something nobody would admit to anyway.

Human experimentation has happened, and probabily as we speak is happening somewhere.
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Of course it has happened and continues to happen.
There is undoubtedly research being undertaken that does not comply with the ethical standards some agencies try to enforce.

I can imagine for instance, the issue of human cloning, a research area, driven underground due to the moral and ethical concerns.
(I support such research, and I understand that it sometimes/often comes at a high price, eg: lifeforms are subjected to cruel and painful methodology in our search for answers, in our search for information, in our search to understand life and to extend it)

No, I agree with you that anything is possible, however the HIV issue is well documented and extremely well researched by the medical research fraternity from across the globe.
 
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