Holocaust denier sent to prison

Nick333 said:
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Read that second part again without blinkers. I am asking people who read about holocaust denial to also consider that those who write about holocaust denial might have agendas. Two way street.

and your many anti-Jewish conspiracy ramblings elsewhere, you disingenuous twit.
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Nonsense. Back that accusation up or STFU. Now for an actual contradiction

I'm not trying to stifle debate.

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People are free to debate the subject but like the moon landings and evolution actually happened the debate that you're trying to have is a farce.
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If you want to debate actual numbers of victims then there is of course room for rounding up or down by a million or two. But, whether or not the numbers are in their millions is not a serious debate. We have the testimony of the perpetrators. There can reasonably be no better evidence.
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I think the official rounding down is about 4 million. You've heard the testimonies of the perpetrators who fit the narrative, and not heard the thousands who deny gassings took place. Again I think personally think that no gassing happened is a stretch and I think more than likely a holocaust of some significant proportion was carried out.

So, you're entitled to your ridiculous "debate" about whether or not the Holocaust took place, but I'm entitled to point out that you're as demented as the kooks who convince themselves that the Moon landing didn't happen and that the Earth is flat. Unlike those other kooks though, you're a callous p.o.s. to boot.
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You keep doing this Nick. Lumping things together than share none of the same claims. That's irrational of you and a logical fallacy and you know better.

It's one thing to get your jollys denying the obvious truth but another when you do it at the expense of those victims who can only but puke at your audacity and pomposity.
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I think there are reasons other than malice to question things. Plenty of reasons. Not allowing people to question things though.......

If you really want to use the rape analogy: questioning whether the Holocaust happened is like questioning whether a beaten,bloody and naked woman with her attackers sperm dripping down her inner thighs was actually raped
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Clearly if you see it so clear cut then you're going to be emotionally comprised on the rational front. I think someone who floats on the other side of the debate would suggest your analogy would also have to involved a history of false claims by the victim as well as a clear benefit for them to lie. As well as some holes in her story.

I don't think it's fair to paint people who question something as malicious, deviant and dishonest. That's closing yourself off entirely to other possibilities. Anyway your mind is made up on the issue, so allow others the space to make up their own minds without the weaponised words. Else you can't truly believe you're not standing in the way of debate.
 
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Nick333 said:
You question ALL the history yet you only mention Palestine and Israel. What's the connection between the Holocaust and Palestine and Israel that you felt the need to bring those up in this thread? Oh, wait Jews! That's the connection. You're not smart enough to hide your anti-Semitism so don't embarrass yourself trying.
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Stop the special pleading Nick. It's anti intellectual.
 
buka001 said:
Youare trying very hard to hide behind semantics.

I have spent years on various forums engaging with holocaust deniers and you sir set all of those flags off.

Open, legitimate debate about the holocaust continues unabated, new books, papers and so forth are released periodically.

The 'debate' you seek, is no debate. It is outright lies, intellectual dishonesty, distortion of facts and fraud.

Hide as much as you want, but your Nazi sympathising bias is easy for all too see.
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I'm hardly know for being politically correct. The fear of you labelling me a "Nazi" would bother me less than a feather tickle on my numb elbows. So take your assumptions and shove them.
 
Midnight_choir_drunk said:
Stop the special pleading Nick. It's anti intellectual.
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Please explain how I am employing special pleading. Slowly as if you were explaining to a child. Otherwise, I am forced to believe that you don't know wtf it means.
 
Nick333 said:
Where the fcck did I say insensitivity or even Holocaust denial should be a crime?
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Where did I say you said that? :erm:

Edit: Wait. I did actually literally write that. This is why text is such a bad medium for communication.
 
Rusty0 said:
They do it all the time, its already ingrained in most peoples minds already.
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If one goes by the numbers, there are other countries who suffered greater losses than Israel during WW2.

You have to remember though that despite that, the Jews were at the forefront of the Nazi hate campaign long before the war started. I cant think of a single race which came under such fire from the Nazi's. The Poles did come in a close second though.
 
Beerisgood said:
If one goes by the numbers, there are other countries who suffered greater losses than Israel during WW2.

You have to remember though that despite that, the Jews were at the forefront of the Nazi hate campaign long before the war started. I cant think of a single race which came under such fire from the Nazi's. The Poles did come in a close second though.
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Israel didn't exist prior to or during WWII. Did you mean the Jews?
 
Patrick_Hockstetter said:
Compared to 6 million? Definitely.

Even the gassing thing has been debunked.

http://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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Looking up the report from your 'source':
The Leuchter report is a pseudoscientific[1] document authored by American execution technician Fred A. Leuchter, who was commissioned by Ernst Zündel to defend him at his trial in Canada for distributing false news, namely Holocaust denial material. Leuchter compiled the report in 1988 with the intention of investigating the feasibility of mass homicidal gassings at Nazi extermination camps, specifically at Auschwitz. He travelled to the camp, collected multiple pieces of brick from the remains of the crematoria and gas chambers (without the camp's permission), brought them back to the United States, and submitted them for chemical analysis. At the trial, Leuchter was required to defend the report in his capacity as expert witness; however he was dismissed because during the proceedings it became apparent that he had neither the qualifications nor experience to act in such a position.
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Nick333 said:
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and your many anti-Jewish conspiracy ramblings elsewhere, you disingenuous twit.

I'm not trying to stifle debate. People are free to debate the subject but like the moon landings and evolution actually happened the debate that you're trying to have is a farce. If you want to debate actual numbers of victims then there is of course room for rounding up or down by a million or two. But, whether or not the numbers are in their millions is not a serious debate. We have the testimony of the perpetrators. There can reasonably be no better evidence.

So, you're entitled to your ridiculous "debate" about whether or not the Holocaust took place, but I'm entitled to point out that you're as demented as the kooks who convince themselves that the Moon landing didn't happen and that the Earth is flat. Unlike those other kooks though, you're a callous p.o.s. to boot. It's one thing to get your jollys denying the obvious truth but another when you do it at the expense of those victims who can only but puke at your audacity and pomposity. If you really want to use the rape analogy: questioning whether the Holocaust happened is like questioning whether a beaten,bloody and naked woman with her attackers sperm dripping down her inner thighs was actually raped.
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Easy there tiger, Im sure you can get your point across without all of the insults.
Anything rational you have to say just gets lost in your attitude.
 
Beerisgood said:
You have to remember though that despite that, the Jews were at the forefront of the Nazi hate campaign long before the war started. I cant think of a single race which came under such fire from the Nazi's. The Poles did come in a close second though.
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Anti Semitism was rife throughout Europe and the U.S. in the inter war years, peaking in the mid to late 1930's, and cullminating in Germany during the war.
 
Midnight_choir_drunk said:
I'm hardly know for being politically correct. The fear of you labelling me a "Nazi" would bother me less than a feather tickle on my numb elbows. So take your assumptions and shove them.
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I never called you a Nazi. I said you are a sympathiser.

You seek to revise the account of the atrocities. You seek to make it seem as it was not as bad.

You seek to make the Nazis less culpable.

You are sympathetic to the aims of the Nazis. That is evident in your posts.
 
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