Holocaust denier sent to prison

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Midnight_choir_drunk said:
The only dog I have in this fight , is my interest in people's rights to debate and explore any issue they seek fit.
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contradicted by this:

Of course people who delve into the "holocaust denial" issue have to be objective and double guess what agenda's are at place, and not selectively only see agenda as a one way street.
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and your many anti-Jewish conspiracy ramblings elsewhere, you disingenuous twit.

I'm not trying to stifle debate. People are free to debate the subject but like the moon landings and evolution actually happened the debate that you're trying to have is a farce. If you want to debate actual numbers of victims then there is of course room for rounding up or down by a million or two. But, whether or not the numbers are in their millions is not a serious debate. We have the testimony of the perpetrators. There can reasonably be no better evidence.

So, you're entitled to your ridiculous "debate" about whether or not the Holocaust took place, but I'm entitled to point out that you're as demented as the kooks who convince themselves that the Moon landing didn't happen and that the Earth is flat. Unlike those other kooks though, you're a callous p.o.s. to boot. It's one thing to get your jollys denying the obvious truth but another when you do it at the expense of those victims who can only but puke at your audacity and pomposity. If you really want to use the rape analogy: questioning whether the Holocaust happened is like questioning whether a beaten,bloody and naked woman with her attackers sperm dripping down her inner thighs was actually raped.
 
Rusty0 said:
Google the first two words of this topic, theres loads of info on it.
I dont really have an opinion on it, but it needs to be discussed openly and more than it is now.
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The first result is the wiki page that Orbital linked previously, says it all really.
 
Rusty0 said:
Again, history is written by the victors. They accept guilty, nobody is disputing that it happened.



Google the first two words of this topic, theres loads of info on it.
I dont really have an opinion on it, but it needs to be discussed openly and more than it is now.
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That's such BS. Why does it need to be discussed more than it is now if you don't have an opinion of some sorts? You obviously doubt the generally held facts so just admit it. The next question is why do you doubt it? Let's be honest shall we, it's because you don't like Jews and you resent any sympathy for them and you prefer to see them as manipulators and liars rather than victims. There we go. Case closed really.
 
Nick333 said:
I actually don't agree with someone being imprisoned for stating an opinion, no matter how ludicrous (if indeed that is the case here), but when I read the wilfully, ignorant and deluded distortions of fact being presented here denying the systematic extermination of millions of people that flies in the face of hundreds of thousands of survivors and the testimony of those who carried out the exterminations I can completely understand why German authorities are so wary about allowing this sick, insanity from being propagated.

You people are so invested in your sick fantasies of being wise to the mass manipulation and conspiracies that you can't see that you are taking a giant **** on the many people who lost their entire families to this madness and those who lived through it and most importantly the millions who did not. All for the sake of feeling like you're so ****ing smart and wise. Fcck you.
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Agree 100%!!
 
Nick333 said:
That's such BS. Why does it need to be discussed more than it is now if you don't have an opinion of some sorts? You obviously doubt the generally held facts so just admit it. The next question is why do you doubt it? Let's be honest shall we, it's because you don't like Jews and you resent any sympathy for them and you prefer to see them as manipulators and liars rather than victims. There we go. Case closed really.
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No, false.
I question all history that we have been thought. Ive studied the history of the Palestinian and Israel conflict and how it came about, to date there are loopholes that historians fail to address.
Same with history of Europe less than 100 years ago, the Islamic reign of Europe is not so common knowledge.

I dont like Zionists just FYI, get the terminology right.
I also dont like the fact that all other atrocities around the world even from biblical age can be openly discussed and debated at length, but when the holocaust is mentioned it MUST be taken as fact.
The holocaust is the key factor in the British allowing Israel to exist right now and still used at every opportunity by the Israeli government to justify and legitimate their stance no matter how inhumane it may be.
 
Rusty0 said:
No, false.
I question all history that we have been thought. Ive studied the history of the Palestinian and Israel conflict and how it came about, to date there are loopholes that historians fail to address.
Same with history of Europe less than 100 years ago, the Islamic reign of Europe is not so common knowledge.

I dont like Zionists just FYI, get the terminology right.
I also dont like the fact that all other atrocities around the world even from biblical age can be openly discussed and debated at length, but when the holocaust is mentioned it MUST be taken as fact.
The holocaust is the key factor in the British allowing Israel to exist right now and still used at every opportunity by the Israeli government.
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You question ALL the history yet you only mention Palestine and Israel. What's the connection between the Holocaust and Palestine and Israel that you felt the need to bring those up in this thread? Oh, wait Jews! That's the connection. You're not smart enough to hide your anti-Semitism so don't embarrass yourself trying.
 
Oh, and the British didn't allow jack. They pulled out of Palestine and washed their hands of the region. You can't question history if you are completely ignorant of it.

And, implying that because the Israeli government has used the memory of the Holocaust to get their way (they hardly do it at every opportunity) they some how created and maintained a massive conspiracy to misrepresent what happened under the Third Reich is dribbling lunacy.
 
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Rusty0 said:
The holocaust is the key factor in the British allowing Israel to exist right now and still used at every opportunity by the Israeli government to justify and legitimate their stance no matter how inhumane it may be.
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:erm: the British where the only Western Power not to vote in favour of the partitioning of Palestine in 1947. (they abstained)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Against.2C_.2813_countries.2C_28.25_of_voting.29
 
Nick333 said:
You question ALL the history yet you only mention Palestine and Israel. What's the connection between the Holocaust and Palestine and Israel that you felt the need to bring those up in this thread? Oh, wait Jews! That's the connection. You're not smart enough to hide your anti-Semitism so don't embarrass yourself trying.
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Wrong again, I also mentioned of other history thats been eradicated to some degree from historical syllabus.
 
Nick333 said:
Oh, and the British didn't allow jack. They pulled out of Palestine and washed their hands of the region. You can't question history if you are completely ignorant of it.

And, implying that because the Israeli government has used the memory of the Holocaust to get their way (they hardly do it at every opportunity) they some how created and maintained a massive conspiracy to misrepresent what happened under the Third Reich is dribbling lunacy.
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They do it all the time, its already ingrained in most peoples minds already.
 
Midnight_choir_drunk said:
Come Nick. You come across as quite a rational person and that's out of character for you.

The only dog I have in this fight , is my interest in people's rights to debate and explore any issue they seek fit. If we draw arbitrary lines based on what issues we can study, based on perceived "feelings" we step onto a very slippery slope. It's akin to not being able to question someone who makes a rape claim because we're being insensitive to the trauma she/he has apparently experienced. Censorship of any kind is the enemy of the objective truth. Again if the evidence is so overwhelming that the holocaust happened exactly as officially mandated then what's the harm in people questioning it ? Surely the evidence will weight so heavily in it's favour that their ideas will be easily dismissed.

Of course people who delve into the "holocaust denial" issue have to be objective and double guess what agenda's are at place, and not selectively only see agenda as a one way street.
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Youare trying very hard to hide behind semantics.

I have spent years on various forums engaging with holocaust deniers and you sir set all of those flags off.

Open, legitimate debate about the holocaust continues unabated, new books, papers and so forth are released periodically.

The 'debate' you seek, is no debate. It is outright lies, intellectual dishonesty, distortion of facts and fraud.

Hide as much as you want, but your Nazi sympathising bias is easy for all too see.
 
Rusty0 said:
The evidence is not clear, there a multiple official sources that dispute the numbers of deaths.
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Please quote the official sources that dispute the numbers.

The figures given by the Nazis themselves agree with the numbers given by the Red Cross and the World Almanac statistics.
 
Nick333 said:
I actually don't agree with someone being imprisoned for stating an opinion, no matter how ludicrous (if indeed that is the case here), but when I read the wilfully, ignorant and deluded distortions of fact being presented here denying the systematic extermination of millions of people that flies in the face of hundreds of thousands of survivors and the testimony of those who carried out the exterminations I can completely understand why German authorities are so wary about allowing this sick, insanity from being propagated.

You people are so invested in your sick fantasies of being wise to the mass manipulation and conspiracies that you can't see that you are taking a giant **** on the many people who lost their entire families to this madness and those who lived through it and most importantly the millions who did not. All for the sake of feeling like you're so ****ing smart and wise. Fcck you.
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:erm:

Offence is taken, not given. Insensitivity is not a crime.
 
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