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Honest opinion: Did this player cheat?
Adenoid Hynkel
Executive Member
That dude, chick, or whatever they identify as, is just clip farming. Those short clips are all stitched together after tens upon tens of hours of playing.
I’ve played my fair share of FPS games back in the day. even competed in ESL way back in the CS 1.6 era. Watching my nephew (15) play CS and COD his aim and movement are on a completely different level compared to mine at my peak.
It’s like watching a soccer match from the 80s or 90s, then comparing it to today’s game. Players now are far more nimble and athletic and can handle the ball in ways the o old timers never could.
S_L_Y_G_U_Y
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Don't worry COS is on the case 
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
I don't know about some counts, but some peeps did unearth old VODs that were dodge as hell. That is also being pushed back against.
I know the person's Steam account (or at least the person's main), but I am not going to dox the person. I took a while to look up Riley's CSGO/CS2 metrics. All these players will have alts, too. I mean, who doesn't have an alt in gaming?
Fulcrum29
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Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
The tracking is plausible, though weapon and movement mechanics need to be taken into consideration. The snapping, or switching as the aim community is calling it, well, I dunno. I have seen clips where this person is snapping to players in smoke, but others argue that it is map knowledge (lol). Then there is the radar debate, but ugh, it is not a visual target.
I get kicked at least once every two weeks in CS because people think I am cheating. Just kids being toxic though.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
He also claims that it isn't cheating:
YouTuber builds aimbot using muscle shocks & insists it’s not cheating - Dexerto
YouTuber Basically Homeless created the aimbot by using neuromuscular electric shocks to automatically make his arm mark a target.
www.dexerto.com
Yet,
It is a smart concept and a cool experiment, but his argument is stupid. For years, there have been open-source "guides" on places like GitHub.
This is what gaming companies wanted to do with gaming monitors with AI-assistance. In the esports world, there are peripherals that are banned.
These are tools that should be designed to help people with accessibility, not cheating.
Cheating has made gaming dumb. Logic is ruined.
That said, I have no issue with people cheating in single-player games, or communities with custom servers.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Ah, Basically Homeless is involved with Waldo. Yeah, that isn't going anywhere. I struggle to see how AI-powered anti-cheats will succeed. Just see how swell VACnet is doing. I saw he made this video:
Visual assistance, or more precise remote visual assistance, has evolved over the years. There is more computing power available. Modeling is accelerated. Microcontrollers are microcontrollers. External cheats are over a decade old. There are on-suite assistants that can be installed on smartphones. Console people know what Xim, Zim, and Cronus are. You can use a Pi to host cheats.
Terrible.
Visual assistance, or more precise remote visual assistance, has evolved over the years. There is more computing power available. Modeling is accelerated. Microcontrollers are microcontrollers. External cheats are over a decade old. There are on-suite assistants that can be installed on smartphones. Console people know what Xim, Zim, and Cronus are. You can use a Pi to host cheats.
Terrible.
He also claims that it isn't cheating:
YouTuber builds aimbot using muscle shocks & insists it’s not cheating - Dexerto
YouTuber Basically Homeless created the aimbot by using neuromuscular electric shocks to automatically make his arm mark a target.
Yet,
It is a smart concept and a cool experiment, but his argument is stupid. For years, there have been open-source "guides" on places like GitHub.
This is what gaming companies wanted to do with gaming monitors with AI-assistance. In the esports world, there are peripherals that are banned.
These are tools that should be designed to help people with accessibility, not cheating.
Cheating has made gaming dumb. Logic is ruined.
That said, I have no issue with people cheating in single-player games, or communities with custom servers.
That post was tounge-in-cheek. I should have added context, but I’m almost okay with cheating as long as there’s pain involved.
The last competitive multiplayer game I played was Quake 3. The community was pretty tight and people mostly knew each other on IRC or ICQ.
Most of the top guys smurfed, but you could tell by the play style. Duels, so 2 people played on the server while the rest spectated.
Cheaters were few and swiftly dealt with. Totally different environment to now.
Even I can tell from that first video that the hand movements don’t line up (including possible acceleration).
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Basically Homeless is doing some cool experiments. I remember him now as the person behind Waldo, but I think it is something else now; I'm not sure. What he is doing is showing the possibilities, and it is already being deployed by others.
People should be cautious not to encourage any assistance. Visual assistance is still cheating. It is not your own sense. Also, his visual assistance and muscle-shocking system still has aim lock.
I have to add a bit. He has shown in his own video that AI can overshoot its aim and autocorrect its aim. It also looks more human. External, too.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Optimum is not convinced,
Adenoid Hynkel
Executive Member
It is a keyboard, a mouse, and practice. Practice takes time.
Practice sure. But a guitar only has strings, but not everyone is a Hendrix. same with games and aim. Hardware’s evolved, and so have the players.
I don't think Riley is cheating.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
I am still not convinced.
People who don't cheat.
DarkStarMonday
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Honest opinion:
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
That's like saying those here with alts are cheating the narrative.
It is normal to have an alt account, depending on how it is used, and, yes, this below is cheating.
And I do it, too. There is something called ELO hell, and sometimes you need to go back to get your pace back. Yes, cheaters also contribute to ELO hell. The problem is, all those little blue guys make those with a lower skill level go through an even worse hell. This is why some people don't play certain games or stop playing them. It is too competitive, and it can get too toxic.
This is ignoring skill ceiling, since there will always be someone better at something than you, and you would need to work harder to improve. Some skip the harder working part and start cheating. Only the disillusioned will tell you that it is working smarter. Cheating is cheating, corruption is corruption.
All in all, yes, alts can be abused, but it isn't necessarily cheating.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
I see Basically Homeless's video is making waves, and now media is linking to others that have "experimented".
External cheats are old now. DMA and Fuser boxes can be bought, and it is hardware that is accessible. You also get those that don't require DMA. That spider thing, that I can't name now, but is expensive. Xim Matrix.
I can now use an Arduino or a Pi to build an external cheat with public sources. I won't.
Though this is all interesting. What someone should do is buy readily available hardware and put it through its paces. Not a Xim, and the like, it is too common. Yes, you will be supporting the industry, but at least you will know with what exactly you are dealing with when playing online. Better still is to buy cheap microcontrollers with the right modules and cobble together an external cheat, but then again, that is what Basically Homeless did. That "second" streaming PC could also work... the same with Virtualised cheats. Never mind your own smartphone. Mice and keyboards have microcontrollers, too. So many options.
BTW, I have seen DMA cards and related hardware being sold here. You still need the cheat and an updated cheat that is working.
Either the media needs clicks, or they are oblivious to cheats; who knows, perhaps their reviewers are also cheating.
External cheats are old now. DMA and Fuser boxes can be bought, and it is hardware that is accessible. You also get those that don't require DMA. That spider thing, that I can't name now, but is expensive. Xim Matrix.
I can now use an Arduino or a Pi to build an external cheat with public sources. I won't.
Though this is all interesting. What someone should do is buy readily available hardware and put it through its paces. Not a Xim, and the like, it is too common. Yes, you will be supporting the industry, but at least you will know with what exactly you are dealing with when playing online. Better still is to buy cheap microcontrollers with the right modules and cobble together an external cheat, but then again, that is what Basically Homeless did. That "second" streaming PC could also work... the same with Virtualised cheats. Never mind your own smartphone. Mice and keyboards have microcontrollers, too. So many options.
BTW, I have seen DMA cards and related hardware being sold here. You still need the cheat and an updated cheat that is working.
Either the media needs clicks, or they are oblivious to cheats; who knows, perhaps their reviewers are also cheating.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Here is a YouTuber showing how DMA cheats work:
That video is more than a year old. The "legit" cheaters will use visual assistance only to not allow the illusion to run away. Yeah, you can set your snapping to be more human-like. The same YouTuber as above also showed a Fuser box in another video.
Anyhow.
That video is more than a year old. The "legit" cheaters will use visual assistance only to not allow the illusion to run away. Yeah, you can set your snapping to be more human-like. The same YouTuber as above also showed a Fuser box in another video.
Anyhow.