How auto gearboxes went from zero to hero

[SauRoNZA]

I was just mentioning a little itty bitty irritation, ya'll want to blow it out of proportion.

Okay okay will leave it at that.

Car will spend less than 1% of its life game driving anyway.

 

[SauRoNZA]

In rush hour or at legal speeds it should never "let loose" with all the traction / abs / stability etc. control. and if it does happen due to road or environmental conditions few people can correct under or over steer even with 2 hands on the wheel.
More got to do with driver experience, than how many hands on the wheel.

Problem is the average driver not needing to shift gears use this freedom to text, call, eat.

You don’t buy a properly fast car for that...and generally a properly fast car will allow it to get a little loose before intervening.

If you don’t turn the aids off that is.

Regardless of who is driving what though, it’s a simple fact that two hands on the wheel affords you more control.

More control means it won’t let go in the first place. Ergo a better drive overall.

The faster/more powerful the car the more important that becomes, regardless of where or how it’s driven.

Not to mention that it makes already fast cars faster.

Any experienced driver should be jumping at the opportunity to have more control.

 

[supersunbird]

Okay okay will leave it at that.

Car will spend less than 1% of its life game driving anyway.

Sadly even less than that

 

[qscwbt]

You don’t buy a properly fast car for that...and generally a properly fast car will allow it to get a little loose before intervening.

If you don’t turn the aids off that is.

Regardless of who is driving what though, it’s a simple fact that two hands on the wheel affords you more control.

More control means it won’t let go in the first place. Ergo a better drive overall.

The faster/more powerful the car the more important that becomes, regardless of where or how it’s driven.

Not to mention that it makes already fast cars faster.

Any experienced driver should be jumping at the opportunity to have more control.

you don't need a auto to have two hands on the wheel. A manual box you still have 2 hands on the wheel.
And even with auto you still see people coasting one hand on the wheel.

hands on wheel is not determined by gearbox choice.

 

[Splinter]

Must I apologise for my exposure being bigger than yours and my ear being on the ground?

I hang out with a lot of car people. And non-car people come to me for advice. Should I just ignore them and block out their issues?

Not sure what exactly you want in response to these comments, but meanwhile you add nothing of value.

You add value? Sorry, must have missed it....

Edit: do not confuse opinions with value...

 

[Rouxenator]

 

[Craig_]

Fair enough.

As you say though it’s a rare problem and not the norm.

I’ve just seen too many stories of massive overcharging or complete gearbox replacements for no good reason other than them not wanting to really work on it.

It’s certainly not something I would “pay for” by having to struggle with a manual to avoid a potential problem.

But then I have almost 200k on a DSG with no drama.

You add value? Sorry, must have missed it....

Edit: do not confuse opinions with value...

I don't want to interfere with the tiff between you two, but his experience might be valuable to some. For example his post above he has a DSG reliably on 200k km, I have a "relatively new" (3 years old) DSG car, so his posts actually let's me think it's quite possible to push this car to 200k km as well. Don't discourage people from adding their experience as some of us might just find it useful.

 

[FiestaST]

Hehe

 

[SauRoNZA]

you don't need a auto to have two hands on the wheel. A manual box you still have 2 hands on the wheel.
And even with auto you still see people coasting one hand on the wheel.

hands on wheel is not determined by gearbox choice.

I would like you to illustrate how exactly you keep two hands on the wheel with a manual gearbox.

It's a simple fact that an automatic allows you to have two hands on the wheel at all times...while a manual doesn't.

There is no argument or opinion here, it's black and white simple fact.

Also it doesn't matter if people are coasting with one hand on the wheel or not. The fact remains they could keep two hands on the wheel at all times if they chose to do so.

 

[SauRoNZA]

You add value? Sorry, must have missed it....

Edit: do not confuse opinions with value...

Not sure how it's an opinion that my car has done near 200k on the original DSG gearbox with no work done to it...

And as was illustrated by @Cr419 it has added value for him....while your incessant off topic nonsense hasn't done anything at all.

 

[ginggs]

Should have been 'Adding cock to life'.

 

[Splinter]

Not sure how it's an opinion that my car has done near 200k on the original DSG gearbox with no work done to it...

And as was illustrated by @Cr419 it has added value for him....while your incessant off topic nonsense hasn't done anything at all.

Repeatedly going on about your one car is not necessarily the statistical truth about all such cars. Hows that for value?

 

[Splinter]

I don't want to interfere with the tiff between you two, but his experience might be valuable to some. For example his post above he has a DSG reliably on 200k km, I have a "relatively new" (3 years old) DSG car, so his posts actually let's me think it's quite possible to push this car to 200k km as well. Don't discourage people from adding their experience as some of us might just find it useful.

But you would have seen this info posted elsewhere a number of times before, I'm sure

 

[WaxLyrical]

For people who own older auto gearboxes it can become a nightmare.
No push start and repairs can be very pricey.

 

[Cius]

I have only ever owed manual, but would like an auto (have driven rental auto). I sit in Sandton traffic and I have little attachment to manual. I think like America each year sales of manual will decline until they just no longer offer them as it is too expensive to keep stock of both for each model of car. In the US I noticed that once manual sales went bellow 40% the decline picked up pace rapidly. It did not take long for it to drop to a negligible level. There was a good article about it a few years back by my google is failing to find the article I am thinking of.

So yes, give it 20 years and it will be a foregone conclusion. Of course by then a disruptive innovation may make this all a moot point. Electrical vehicles/personal drones may just kill the clutch faster than people's preference for one less pedal.

 

[qscwbt]

I would like you to illustrate how exactly you keep two hands on the wheel with a manual gearbox.

It's a simple fact that an automatic allows you to have two hands on the wheel at all times...while a manual doesn't.

There is no argument or opinion here, it's black and white simple fact.

Also it doesn't matter if people are coasting with one hand on the wheel or not. The fact remains they could keep two hands on the wheel at all times if they chose to do so.

unless you get in a auto and not once remove both your hands from the steering wheel from where you get in to your destination then I will agree with you. But even in a auto people will fiddle somewhere in the car just as I would remove my hand to change to 5th. changing gears or fiddling changing aircon temp is the same amount of time hand of steering.

 

[Rouxenator]

Should have been 'Adding cock to life'.

Some people have http://dryvagina.co.za

 

[Swa]

You mean to say one can't just put one's foot on the brake pedal of an automatic and make it stop? No wonder people are ditching autos. They're a real pain in bumper-to-bumper traffic

WOT, how did you get that? What I mean is with auto you just put it in park/neutral to start. With manual you put your foot on the clutch. So it's just a different step and not really an extra step.

I don't want to interfere with the tiff between you two, but his experience might be valuable to some. For example his post above he has a DSG reliably on 200k km, I have a "relatively new" (3 years old) DSG car, so his posts actually let's me think it's quite possible to push this car to 200k km as well. Don't discourage people from adding their experience as some of us might just find it useful.

Ditto. We may not see eye on a lot of things but he does seem to know his cars. Splinter's constant trolling does get tiresome.

 

[supersunbird]

WOT, how did you get that? What I mean is with auto you just put it in park/neutral to start. With manual you put your foot on the clutch. So it's just a different step and not really an extra step.


Ditto. We may not see eye on a lot of things but he does seem to know his cars. Splinter's constant trolling does get tiresome.

One doesn't have to step on the brake?

 

[Swa]

One doesn't have to step on the brake?

Nope. You're taught to do that with auto or manual when starting, well actually you should use the handbrake to comply, but if you're in park or neutral it shouldn't move unless you're on an incline.