How safe is 1time?

[Ockie]

They should instead just buy an Airbus because according to "experts" of the airline industry that will make them invincible.

Who said they must buy a airbus? I did not see that? Hell...I even recommended the Embraer or Bombardier...oh and the Irkhut. There are many options. Yes I like Airbus...specially the A380....but there are a few other manufacturers out there that are making brilliant planes. The Sukhoi SuperJet 100 being one of them. Such a lekker little airliners. Would not mind seeing them in our skies either. And if you say but one of them crashed I am going to biets klap you!

 

[Rouxenator]

Now that is something I'll drink to! Would like seeing something different like that, and it actually might work for them

 

[Rosaudio]

Or perhaps the bombardier c300...ut us big enough...but not too big that u gonna sit with empty seats. and cheaper than airbus or boeing and more fuel efficient. eis expted soon also. if i were 1time i would get these...put 11 on order to get a bit of a better deal perhaps and as they start coming in get rid of the md's 1 by 1

Perhaps, but only if they were able to get their hands on a 150 seater C300.. which has been speculated about.

 

[abandonallhope]

You don't watch many disaster episodes then, do you?

Deadliest accident in aviation history
Second deadliest
Third

Their engines also fall off.

Nothing against the Boeing 747, just saying as others have mentioned, accidents and failures happen to all aircraft.

Oh, and Rouxenator, nice to see your ignorance about cars is nicely matched by your ignorance regarding aircraft.



Sure, let's look it up:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A340#Accidents_and_incidents

OK, maybe the A330 is the deadliest aircraft ever in human history then to make up for it...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330#Incidents_and_accidents

So in other words, fewer people died in all A330's in all of history then the amount who died in any one of the top 3 deadliest accidents.

Yup, them thar Frenchie jets shure are deathtraps, yes siree bob.

You do of course know that in the tenerife disaster, the two jets themselves had nothing to do with the cause of the accident, right ?

I agree with you though, human error is pretty much the major factor, not the manufacturer.

 

[Rosaudio]

They should instead just buy an Airbus because according to "experts" of the airline industry that will make them invincible.

A320's would be a good buy for the airliner yes.

We didn't call ourselves experts, just telling the 'Airbus slater' how it is Let's just say i've flown quite a bit.

 

[Rosaudio]

You do of course know that in the tenerife disaster, the two jets themselves had nothing to do with the cause of the accident, right ?

I agree with you though, human error is pretty much the major factor, not the manufacturer.

As was the case with the findings of AF447 is which Roux was indirectly mentioning as a reason for A330's being unsafe aircraft.

 

[Ockie]

Perhaps, but only if they were able to get their hands on a 150 seater C300.. which has been speculated about.

I dont see why it has to have 150 seats? You often hear that airlines have a erm..what you ma call it? occupancy of 70%? Rather go for a smaller capacity plane that is lighter and cheaper to fly and fill it better? I wish the damn Russians will get their asses into gear now and get the MS21 into the air. Dont know why but I really like that airliner. It will compete with the bigger Airbus and Boeings though. Ryanair apparently interested in the 199 seat version.

 

[abandonallhope]

As was the case with the findings of AF447 is which Roux was indirectly mentioning as a reason for A330's being unsafe aircraft.

Incorrect. the jet itself did have something to do with the cause :

Temporary inconsistency between the airspeed measurements, likely following the obstruction of the pitot probes by ice crystals that, in particular, caused the autopilot disconnection and the reconfiguration to alternate law

 

[Rouxenator]

If you look at the rate of fatalities per millions flights then the A330 is worse than the 737 (600 and newer) however the A320 is better than the 737s and the A340 is tops. So they are not all bad, but still, why Airbus when you can Boeing?

Oh, before you all start, this moronic uninformed typical stupid Roux nonsense is actually backed by cold hard facts : http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm
Yeah, suck on that

 

[garyc]

Since they are really cash strapped maybe they should get some of the really cheap old Tupolev 154s that are on the market. Just don't look at the accident statistics before flying on one.

 

[abandonallhope]

Since they are really cash strapped maybe they should get some of the really cheap old Tupolev 154s that are on the market. Just don't look at the accident statistics before flying on one.

I lol'd

Hey I mean, desperate times, desperate measures.

 

[Jola]

Incorrect. the jet itself did have something to do with the cause :

But is the ice issue something that could happen to any aircraft, or is / was there a specific issue with the A330 ?

They did fly through a really high storm, which may have been a silly thing to do ?

 

[Ockie]

Since they are really cash strapped maybe they should get some of the really cheap old Tupolev 154s that are on the market. Just don't look at the accident statistics before flying on one.

Well...I have not read any of these accident reports. But something that should be kept in mind also is that I saw something on tv where it was said that Russian pilots...specially the older ones were/are notorious for being very bad communicators...to radio control and also with their crew mates. Each one does his own thing and to hell with the rest. So it might be a factor also in the high accident rate with the older Soviet era planes.

 

[garyc]

Well...I have not read any of these accident reports. But something that should be kept in mind also is that I saw something on tv where it was said that Russian pilots...specially the older ones were/are notorious for being very bad communicators...to radio control and also with their crew mates. Each one does his own thing and to hell with the rest. So it might be a factor also in the high accident rate with the older Soviet era planes.

Flew on a few 154s in the past, always felt like the bad parts of an Indiana Jones adventure. The most memorable moment was getting off at an airport and the jet taking off and exploding in mid-air afterwards. In this context having a 1time flight turn back with engine problems is no big deal. Rather worry about tickets not being available if they shut down.

 

[garyc]

But is the ice issue something that could happen to any aircraft, or is / was there a specific issue with the A330 ?

They did fly through a really high storm, which may have been a silly thing to do ?

The full accident report is at <http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601.en/pdf/f-cp090601.en.pdf> if anyone wants to read 200+ pages - good if you are having trouble sleeping.

They blame a combination of technical and human factors. From page 200:

Thus, the accident resulted from the following succession of events:
ˆˆ Temporary inconsistency between the airspeed measurements, likely following
the obstruction of the Pitot probes by ice crystals that, in particular, caused the
autopilot disconnection and the reconfiguration to alternate law;
ˆˆ Inappropriate control inputs that destabilized the flight path;
ˆˆ The lack of any link by the crew between the loss of indicated speeds called out
and the appropriate procedure;
ˆˆ The late identification by the PNF of the deviation from the flight path and the
insufficient correction applied by the PF;
ˆˆ The crew not identifying the approach to stall, their lack of immediate response
and the exit from the flight envelope;
ˆˆ The crew’s failure to diagnose the stall situation and consequently a lack of inputs
that would have made it possible to recover from it.

 

[SaiyanZ]

Just got this email at work. The company travel manager has told all the divisions to not use 1time for now. Don't know how they'll get back on their feet if the large corporates stop using them. I work for a multi-billion rand corporate so it is big business lost.

1time applies for business rescue to return the airline to profitability

1time airline today applied for business rescue in terms of a new provision of the Companies Act, which will give it protection from creditors while it reorganises the business in order to return to profitability.

“The airline will continue normal operations. What business rescue does is to give us the protection we need for a few months while we agree a business rescue plan with creditors and other stakeholders so that they will support the airline into the future,” said CEO Blacky Komani.

“For the next few months we will operate under the temporary supervision of a business rescue practitioner approved by the Companies and Intellectual Property Commission (CIPC) in terms of the new Companies Act.
“It gives us the opportunity to stabilise the trading environment, reorganise the business financially and strategically emerge a healthier company. We have already made substantial progress in our efforts to return to profitability within three years, and I am optimistic about this process,” Komani said.

Business rescue facilitates the rehabilitation of a company that is financially distressed. It allows a company to explore various models to continue in business rather than having creditors apply for its liquidation.

The company is formally in business rescue, as it has filed the necessary papers with the CIPC. The business rescue practitioner will be appointed within the next few days.

 

[ViperGTI]

You don't watch many disaster episodes then, do you?

Actually, no I don't... I've maybe seen like 5 episodes of which two or three involved MDs.
I prefer not to see to many since I still fly from time to time so if I don't have enough material to let my mind wander... like they say, ignorance is bliss

 

[Jola]

Don't see anything in there that could be a technical fault with the A330, or am I not understanding this ?

Seems to be pilot error ?

 

[abandonallhope]

Don't see anything in there that could be a technical fault with the A330, or am I not understanding this ?

Seems to be pilot error ?

Would be harsh to blame the pilot/crew for this :

Temporary inconsistency between the airspeed measurements, likely following
the obstruction of the Pitot probes by ice crystals that, in particular, caused the
autopilot disconnection and the reconfiguration to alternate law

 

[ponder]

Would be harsh to blame the pilot/crew for this :

A pilot should be able to fly a plane without those things. They ignored basic things like stall warnings, attitude indicator.

Suppose it's easy to sit here and comment though.

When something goes wrong these guys seem to distrust all their instruments. Why don't they put a portable GPS unit in each cockpit to provide a rough reference for pilots when they start distrusting the onboard systems. A portable gps should be able to tell them their airspeed, altitude and location at least when they start having doubts. Maybe even given them a clear container with coloured liquid & markings to check their attitude (can't cost that much to add a normal analog attitude indicator to a plane).