How will MWEB's peering link cuts effect you?

I dont think Neotel still operates, i could not even get to their sales department yesterday, are they really that busy. Thats like one department a client must not struggle to get through to.
 
Ok so what is going to happen with the new Call of duty Black Ops servers that will be hosted by mweb? Im guessing that telkom and mtn users are screwed there?
 
The table indicates peering between MWeb and Vodacom, but my trace route shows otherwise:

traceroute to www.vodacom.co.za (41.1.224.101), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 41-133-88-1.dsl.mweb.co.za (41.133.88.1) 7.501 ms 8.994 ms 9.604 ms
2 tengig-0-0-0-101.vic-ipc-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.134) 11.870 ms 13.149 ms 14.512 ms
3 vl-92.vic-hscore-2.mweb.co.za (196.22.189.3) 15.681 ms 17.352 ms 18.257 ms
4 tengig-0-0-0-0-12.vic-up-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.241) 21.744 ms 22.992 ms 23.625 ms
5 tengig-0-2-0-0.mid-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.169.219) 25.542 ms 26.833 ms 26.893 ms
6 pos-0-0-0-0.lon-1.mweb.co.za (196.22.163.230) 267.836 ms 263.785 ms 264.238 ms
7 149.6.98.5 (149.6.98.5) 257.459 ms 256.524 ms 257.419 ms
8 te7-2.ccr01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.36.165) 258.022 ms 256.556 ms 258.327 ms
9 te1-2.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.3.225) 258.626 ms * *
10 te1-1.ccr01.lon05.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.49.106) 256.008 ms 253.555 ms 254.900 ms
11 149.6.2.194 (149.6.2.194) 264.202 ms 249.901 ms 250.623 ms
12 196.43.39.22 (196.43.39.22) 449.941 ms 450.053 ms 449.296 ms
13 vodacom-gw.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.253.110) 438.214 ms 441.979 ms 441.914 ms
14 41.0.0.23 (41.0.0.23) 451.509 ms 453.162 ms 454.524 ms
15 41.0.4.2 (41.0.4.2) 439.486 ms 440.661 ms 442.073 ms
16 vc-196-207-44-133.3g.vodacom.co.za (196.207.44.133) 458.769 ms 459.968 ms 447.998 ms
17 41.1.224.101 (41.1.224.101) 432.382 ms 433.332 ms 432.794 ms

Also why is only MWEB Cape Town peering with Webafrica and not MWeb Johannesburg?
 
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Rohan said:
Ok so what is going to happen with the new Call of duty Black Ops servers that will be hosted by mweb? Im guessing that telkom and mtn users are screwed there?
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Pretty much.. Either MTN+Telkom peer with MWeb or there will be a lot of people leaving MTN/Telkom's network in order to play Black Ops.
 
dougatthewoods said:
I'm not the biggest gamer, but how many games only have Telkom servers? I know TF2 has a SAIX and an IS?

And who has Telkom and MTN accounts? Isn't everyone that uses the interwebs machine properly with the new guys?
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couldn't be further from the truth. MTN business has a huge business client base. so this affects all of them.
 
Rohan said:
Ok so what is going to happen with the new Call of duty Black Ops servers that will be hosted by mweb? Im guessing that telkom and mtn users are screwed there?
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Ja they are screwed. But that's their own problem for still using Telkom. They should've changed long ago. Nobody beats stupidity. Reason I went over to mweb is cause they provide us with better value for money and soon we will go business. there's so many ISPs thats also making use of Internet solutions bandwidth
 
nelis said:
Ja they are screwed. But that's their own problem for still using Telkom. They should've changed long ago. Nobody beats stupidity. Reason I went over to mweb is cause they provide us with better value for money and soon we will go business. there's so many ISPs thats also making use of Internet solutions bandwidth
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One begins to wonder what will happen if Internet Solutions (etc) follow the same route as MWeb to save themselves huge costs on having to pay Telkom transit.
 
Roman4604 said:
Peered.

Tracing route to speedtest.neotel.co.za [41.160.0.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.254
2 13 ms 13 ms 11 ms tengig-0-0-0.vic-lns-2.mweb.co.za [196.22.189.12]
3 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms vl-92.vic-hscore-1.mweb.co.za [196.22.189.2]
4 14 ms 15 ms 13 ms tengig-0-0-0-0-11.vic-up-2.mweb.co.za [196.22.169.226]
5 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms jx2621-1-S1-AP.mweb.net [196.22.163.5]
6 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms neotel.jinx.net.za [198.32.142.24]
7 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 41.160.0.243
8 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms speedtest.neotelza.net [41.160.0.30]

Trace complete.
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So what does all that mean? Here's mine:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms Router [10.0.0.2]
2 28 ms 19 ms 19 ms 196-210-152-129.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.15
2.129]
3 24 ms 30 ms 27 ms cdsl1-rba-vl2360.ip.isnet.net [196.38.73.133]
4 30 ms 44 ms 24 ms cdsl1-rba-vl150.ip.isnet.net [196.38.73.17]
5 31 ms 29 ms 28 ms 168.209.1.139
6 31 ms 26 ms 30 ms 196.26.0.10
7 22 ms 28 ms 30 ms neotel.jinx.net.za [198.32.142.24]
8 26 ms 19 ms 20 ms 41.160.0.243
9 26 ms 28 ms 30 ms speedtest.neotelza.net [41.160.0.30]

Trace complete.
 
roberth said:
WA dont have a presence in JHB!? I'm not 100% sure
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Yeah, WA only have a presence at Cape Town INX (http://stats.cinx.net.za/) - none at Johannesburg INX (http://stats.jinx.net.za/). MWEB have said that it's up to the ISP's to get to the peering point and then MWEB will peer with them for free...

Hummercellc said:
Vox is not local RPM..... Ping is 400+ms and before it was 50-ms
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Maybe for the same reason as above? No Vox presence at JINX either...
 
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Vince0 said:
Using MWeb ISP to SAIX game servers went from sub 100ms latency to over 500ms. No BFBC2 for me until this is resolved!

Also, my SAIX leased lines at work (for VOIP) are only national bandwidth, so no sip.mweb.net connectivity - even via international at all. Luckily there are redundant routes, but this has really affected the amount of traffic I can send to MWeb for VOIP termination. Looks like they have shot themselves in the foot, at least in the short - medium term?
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Just use the igame servers.
 
nut123 said:
Yeah, WA only have a presence at Cape Town INX (http://stats.cinx.net.za/) - none at Johannesburg INX (http://stats.jinx.net.za/). MWEB have said that it's up to the ISP's to get to the peering point and then MWEB will peer with them for free...


Maybe for the same reason as above? No Vox presence at JINX either...
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The article says that JHB gets routed internationally and is incorrect, JHB traffic gets routed through CPT. There is some confusion as to whether WA is correctly peered but my trace route:

Tracing route to news24.com [152.111.193.28]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.192.1
2 22 ms 19 ms 24 ms rrba-ip-esr-3.ipnet.wa.co.za [41.185.74.1]
3 47 ms 46 ms 46 ms vl105.cr.gw.cpt.za.wa.co.za [196.220.59.250]
4 46 ms 64 ms 46 ms vl40.er.gw.cpt.za.wa.co.za [41.185.0.98]
5 44 ms 46 ms 46 ms 198.32.214.25
6 47 ms 47 ms 48 ms 196-28-178-134.adsl.mweb.co.za [196.28.178.134]

7 48 ms 48 ms 46 ms 196.41.144.36
8 48 ms 48 ms 46 ms cte-gw122-leeuwenhof [196.41.133.234]
9 48 ms 47 ms 48 ms 152.111.193.28

Trace complete.

Tracing route to mweb.co.za [196.2.63.110]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms 192.168.192.1
2 20 ms 22 ms 21 ms rrba-ip-esr-3.ipnet.wa.co.za [41.185.74.1]
3 42 ms 43 ms 41 ms vl108.cr.gw.cpt.za.wa.co.za [196.220.59.238]
4 45 ms 44 ms 42 ms vl40.er.gw.cpt.za.wa.co.za [41.185.0.98]
5 45 ms 46 ms 44 ms 198.32.214.25
6 88 ms 45 ms 47 ms 196-28-178-134.adsl.mweb.co.za [196.28.178.134]

7 50 ms 46 ms 45 ms 196.41.144.36
8 46 ms 50 ms 45 ms www.mweb.co.za [196.2.63.110]

Trace complete.
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Hotmetal said:
One begins to wonder what will happen if Internet Solutions (etc) follow the same route as MWeb to save themselves huge costs on having to pay Telkom transit.
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Soon enough there will be very little of importance on the Telkom/MTN networks that are Ping sensitive. As it stands there is already alternative well known gaming servers you can play on. And with the price of MWEB's business connectivity and hosting accounts I cannot imagine many businesses will stay with MTN/Telkom.
 
dinkd said:
couldn't be further from the truth. MTN business has a huge business client base. so this affects all of them.
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Please point out who is with MTN? The only two things I can find on their network is Standard Bank and Hetzner. Dunno how long Hetzner will be MTN only and internet banking isn't ping sensitive so I couldn't care less.

BTW this is a serious question not an attack, I asked a similar question about vodacom and NOBODY could find anything on their network,
 
Will you please state the facts MyBB!?

You state:
"International routing means higher latency and hence worsened service levels when browsing the web, but the community who will feel the effects of these changes the hardest is likely to be online gamers."

I have two major objections to that statement.

1. Truth - As far as browsing is concerned the service degradation is not global - It is only local content that will experience speed degradation and only if it is not on a network that freely peers with MWeb. If you want to know why it will not affect you so badly... It's because local content is almost non-existent exactly because the old pay for peering system makes local hosting too damned expensive. This being MWeb's exact point. The cost of peering in South Africa has made us pathetic.

2. Truth - The gaming community as a whole is not affected. Many games have to be played on international servers. WOW, Eve, etc... And as far as gaming is concerned IS which peers with MWeb is the dominant leader in the local game server scene. SAIX servers in my experience lag even when you peer with them directly. In other words... Why would you want to make use of crappy servers anyway?

Clue up FFS! Speak the damned truth and not half-lies.
 
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