Huge SAA flight cancellations

Laydees un Gennelmun, the betting pool...


...is now OPEN

PLACE YOUR BETS NOW. Late bets will NOT be entertained. Betting closes COB Thursday (17:00) sharp.

No money will be exchanged. Instead, we will see whose crystal ball/predictive future sense is the best.

SCENARIOS :

1. Unions will continue to strike till the bitter end. The Government will close SAA down, and put it up for bids, and all people will be retrenched/laid off en masse. Usual hooliganism etc will occur.

2. A sudden intercessor will appear, and will buy out part of SAA. Hooliganism etc to occur due to people getting retrenched.

3. Govt will find some odd millions$ behind the sofa in the Saxonwold Shebeen, and bail SAA out. Retrenchments will occur later.

4. Govt will pour a couple of $millions$ from pension funds into SAA, retrench people at a later stage. Hooliganism etc to follow.

5. Banks and others call in for their money. Govt shits itself, grabs $millions$ from pension funds to pay loans etc.

6. Mob goes on rampage, burns down ORTIA and a couple of overseas carriers' planes as well. Oops.

7. Mob barricades ORTIA, nobody can come in or go out. Berlin Airbridge is re-enacted to bring in food and supplies to people trapped in ORTIA.

8. Army is called in, have nervous breakdown en route, aborts operation.

9. Mob squats on runways and erects shacks etc.

10. Give us your own predictions of what will happen.

The one closest to the final outcome wins a virtual banana*. :ROFL:



*virtual banana will be emailed to the winner.
 
Sollie said:
Can we discuss the colour scheme?
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No need, its already documented for you

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The_Librarian said:
Because of the Springbok emblem on the old SAA planes?
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Not specifically, I actually like the current livery better. But the Springbok emblem has pretty good brand value. We could spin up Sprinbok Radio for the launch party, burn Eric Egan effigies, serve springbokkies in along with the flight meals, name the aircraft after dead rugby players. There's so much history to borrow from :)
 
koffiejunkie said:
Not specifically, I actually like the current livery better. But the Springbok emblem has pretty good brand value. We could spin up Sprinbok Radio for the launch party, burn Eric Egan effigies, serve springbokkies in along with the flight meals, name the aircraft after dead rugby players. There's so much history to borrow from :)
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Current livery (mostly) with Springbok emblem incorporated.

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1. Unions will continue to strike till the bitter end. The Government will close SAA down, and put it up for bids, and all people will be retrenched/laid off en masse.
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If SAA closes down ,its aircraft are mainly leased - and arent assets of SAA.

The routes SAA now fly, will open up if SAA closes down; for other domestic airlines to take up. Which means those airlines will most likely take up extra qualified staff for aircraft (pilots and cabin crew), and they may even have to lease some extra aircraft as well.

Nobody really loses if SAA closes down.

a. the TAX payer doesnt
b. neither will most of SAA's airside staff.
c. Neither do all the profitable private airlines competing with this SOE for the same air routes and slots.

The only ones that will lose out are incompetent management. And thats no loss to anyone.

But if SAA increases its payroll yet again; while sitting with a debt of R20 Billion. Nobody wins. I doubt SAA has R20 billion worth of fixed assets as surety for its debt.
 
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DeSLAM said:
c. Neither do all the profitable private airlines competing with this SOE for the same air routes and slots.
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More than that, I think it would be a tremendous benefit to the airline industry in general. Having an outsized player that doesn't have to turn a profit really skews the market and stifles competition.
 
Gordhan says SAA may have no money for salaries this month
Nov 20 2019 13:25
Lameez Omarjee, Carin Smith, Jan Cronje and Sesona Ngqakamba

Minister of Public Enterprises Pravin Gordhan has warned that, while two unions at SAA are demanding salary increases for members, the airline might not even be able to pay any salaries at the end of the month.

The minister was speaking at a Parliamentary briefing on Wednesday. The meeting was called for feedback on power utility Eskom, but Gordhan - who met with unions on Tuesday - also made some remarks about SA's cash-strapped national airline.

The minister said the strike was worsening the airline's financial crisis. "SAA doesn't have enough cash to possibly even pay salaries at the end of the month," he said. "Not only will people not get increases but they might not even get their salaries," he added.

Members of the National Union of Metalworkers of SA and the SA Cabin Crew Association have been on strike since Friday over wages, proposed job cuts and the demand that more workers be insourced. On Wednesday afternoon negotiations still remained deadlocked.


SAA, which has had to ground a number of domestic and regional flights due to the industrial action, has said it cannot afford to the 8% wage increase demanded by unions, offering a 5.9% hike from 2020. This has been rejected by unions.

Gordhan - who has ruled out another bailout for SAA - said government would try to see if it is possible to "get some assistance" but this depended on the parties being able to reach some type of understanding. According to the minister, the unions and SAA have both agreed to a mediator to facilitate negotiations.

He added it must be understood that even if a salary increase is agreed to, the money to pay for it is not available now.

Earlier on Wednesday Numsa spokesperson Phakamile Hlubi-Majola, addressing protesting workers in Kempton Park, said a notice of intent to strike had been issued to Comair as part of a secondary strike. A separate notice has been issued to Air Chefs, which provides in-flight catering for SAA.

Comair, which operates its own low-cost brand, kulula.com, as well as British Airways in South Africa as part of a license agreement, told Fin24 on Wednesday that it has contingency plans in place should any of its ground or cabin crew go on a secondary strike.

According to Comair, Numsa has been issued two certificates of non-resolution for disputes pertaining to both Comair's ground and cabin crew.

"Before embarking on a strike, Numsa has to conduct a secret ballot of its members, and thereafter give Comair 48 hours' notice. Comair has not yet received the required 48 hours' notice," the airline said. "Comair has contingency plans in place, should our ground and/or cabin crew choose to exercise their right to strike."

SAA did not immediately reply to a request for comment about whether it had received a notice of intent to strike at its subsidiary Air Chefs.
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Gordhan says SAA may have no money for salaries this month | Business

Meanwhile, Numsa has indicted it is aiming to launch a secondary strike at Comair, but its members have to vote first.
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Eeeek.. Strike notice granted for Comair (doesn't mean a strike just as yet) i.e. Kulula & Ba flights.. Thankfully nothing for Safair yet.
 
Does someone have an idea in which camp the union bosses are? Cyril camp or not?
 
5. Banks and others call in for their money. Govt shits itself, grabs $millions$ from pension funds to pay loans etc.



this, but throw in some looting and hooliganism, always nice , adds spice and flavor to life.
 
DeSLAM said:
If SAA closes down ,its aircraft are mainly leased - and arent assets of SAA.

The routes SAA now fly, will open up if SAA closes down; for other domestic airlines to take up. Which means those airlines will most likely take up extra qualified staff for aircraft (pilots and cabin crew), and they may even have to lease some extra aircraft as well.

Nobody really loses if SAA closes down.

a. the TAX payer doesnt
b. neither will most of SAA's airside staff.
c. Neither do all the profitable private airlines competing with this SOE for the same air routes and slots.

The only ones that will lose out are incompetent management. And thats no loss to anyone.

But if SAA increases its payroll yet again; while sitting with a debt of R20 Billion. Nobody wins. I doubt SAA has R20 billion worth of fixed assets as surety for its debt.
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Except for those cross default credit agreements if saa still has them, then the tax payer is really going to feel that pain when all the other soe have to pay their loans immediately.
 
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