I hate Apple

[Drunkard #1]

<rant>

I recently installed Ubuntu 10.10 onto my netbook, and very quickly grew to loath the sidebar. So I googled how to get rid of it, and while reading this article, I realised that Ubuntu is trying to copy Apple. All the reviewers comments are to the theme of "oooo, it looks like the dock", "it's almost like the iPad", "the window controls are on the left, just like Apple", "idiots loooove the new interface", "hardly anything can be right clicked - perfect for idiots who can't understand a mouse with more than one button".

Well **** you Ubuntu and **** you Apple, some of us want the Windows (XP) interface. Thankfully, one of the comments (three cheers for Boo) explained how to get the UI back to a reasonable and customisable interface, and another article on the same site showed how to get the get the window controls back to the right side.

I've almost got it to look like Windows.

Problem is, Apple has too much influence, and Microsoft has started to mess with Windows' interface; UI peaked with Windows XP, and that is where it should have stopped. Apple has less than 10% market share, and any luddite who can't handle a real OS can buy a fruit branded computer. The rest of us (who like Windows) would just like to say, "DON'T LISTEN TO THE JOURNALISTS - LEAVE REAL OSs LIKE WINDOWS AND LINUX ALONE".

</rant>

Anyone know of another lightweight linux I can try on my netbook? Thanks.

 

[Hemps]

Try linux mint for your netbook.

Simliar in looks to windows.
I installed the latest ubuntu and added the win7 theme - side by side it's hard to see the difference visually of course.

 

[Lino]

You angry at Apple because Ubuntu is trying to copy them?

 

[koffiejunkie]

Dude, get your facts straight. Apple doesn't have a side bar. You can put the doc on the side, but that's your buisness. And don't blame Ubuntu. The Gnome Project have been doing a pretty rubbish job of imitating the OSX UI for years now. Ubuntu manages to make it a little less dire.

And for what it's worth, Microsoft have been lifting ideas off both OSX and KDE (probably Gnome too although I never used Gnome much so I don't know it that well) for years. Where do you think Microsoft got the idea to not use grey for everything? Where do you think they got the idea of gadgets or gizmos or whatever they call it? Do you think they came up with that idiotic start menu all by themselves?

If you don't like it, load something else.

 

[Drunkard #1]

Try linux mint for your netbook.

Simliar in looks to windows.
I installed the latest ubuntu and added the win7 theme - side by side it's hard to see the difference visually of course.

I looked at mint, but they've got five options, which one do I choose?

You angry at Apple because Ubuntu is trying to copy them?

Apple, for creating their marketing hype,
journalists, for publishing the hype (because they use Apple, they forget that 90% of the world doesn't),
the Apple buying public, for being too loud about buying into the hype,
and the Ubuntu and Windows UI developers, for thinking that the majority of users want every thing to look like a fruit because a (very vocal) minority of users says so.

If there was no hype, no one would feel the need to copy Apple. Thus, I blame Apple.

Dude, get your facts straight. Apple doesn't have a side bar. You can put the doc on the side, but that's your buisness. And don't blame Ubuntu. The Gnome Project have been doing a pretty rubbish job of imitating the OSX UI for years now. Ubuntu manages to make it a little less dire.

And for what it's worth, Microsoft have been lifting ideas off both OSX and KDE (probably Gnome too although I never used Gnome much so I don't know it that well) for year. Where do you think Microsoft got the idea to not use grey for everything? Where do you think they got the idea of gadgets or gizmos or whatevery they call it? Do you think they came up with that idiotic start menu all by themselves?

If you don't like it, load something else.

Apple has a dock, it's crap, and Windows and Ubuntu tried to copy it. As a Windows user, I don't care which front end is providing the UI, I just expect it to work. Ubuntu ships with Gnome, they must deal with Gnome related dissing.

I like grey, I have no idea what a gadget or a gizmo is, and I don't remember linux being around in '95 when windows started shipping with a start menu (which I like).

And I intend to load something else. Maybe even Windows 2000.

 

[koffiejunkie]

Apple, for creating their marketing hype,
journalists, for publishing the hype (because they use Apple, they forget that 90% of the world doesn't),
the Apple buying public, for being too loud about buying into the hype,

And I guess there was no hype when people spent the night outside stores to get their hands on Windows 95 on launch day. No that was just a weird coincidence.

I like grey, I have no idea what a gadget or a gizmo is, and I don't remember linux being around in '95 when windows started shipping with a start menu (which I like)

Because you don't remember it/don't know about it, it must not exist, eh?

 

[icyrus]

It would be hard for this thread to be any more idiotic.

 

[Drunkard #1]

And I guess there was no hype when people spent the night outside stores to get their hands on Windows 95 on launch day. No that was just a weird coincidence.



Because you don't remember it/don't know about it, it must not exist, eh?

I wasn't one of those tools, I kept using 3.11 for years after 95 came out. And that hype didn't inconvenience thousands of people using a completely different OS, Apple's hype does. Same goes for the gizmos or whatever they were called - they never hurt anyone.

It would be hard for this thread to be any more idiotic.

We can try, if you like.


Edit: see - more idiotic...

Apple users - 10 % of the market, 90% of the crazy

 

[cpu.]

If you can get people to talk about your product, you did something right.

I think it's great that companies "borrow" ideas from each other - it is to our benefit. Where would we be today if everyone kept to themselves?

 

[Creag]

@ OP ... you're not alone with your sentiment - it's all about personal preference at the end of the day

 

[Synaesthesia]

Well Ubuntu Linux is far from the only distro! Try Mint, as mentioned, or PC Linux OS.

Anyway I can't stand when Linux blantantly ripoff Windows XP, (like KDE) and I love it when they thing of something new and interesting (Like KDE 4 with it's plasmoids or whatever). Seems it's all they did for a long time.

The start menu, the close window widgets, everything! I mean if you're going to clone Windows, you might as well run Windows, right?

They copied Apple with Expose clones also when Compiz came out.

 

[milomak]

you do know you are not tied to gnome. there is a vast of other DEs out there

 

[korn101]

I don't give a crap what you say. The Apple Mac OS X interface / look, is one of the sexiest looks of the 21st Century. I think almost everyone will agree that it is the smoothest and best flowing interface in existence. I use Ubuntu 10.10 now (upgraded about 10 minutes ago from 10.04) and I will tell you, IT IS NOT LIKE MAC OS X, Not even close! Just because the window controls (close, minimize, and Maximize) are on the right, doesn't mean it's like a mac, That's like saying that Ceres fruit juice copied coca-cola by making cans!

I use Macbuntu ( a theme overhaul for Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 ), so I can get my Ubuntu to look and feel like a mac.

I'm not a fan of the Apple OS X Operating System as a kernel and whole operating system, but I do love the way it looks, and how it feels.

I like the workability of Ubuntu, with the look and feel of OS X.

Enough said.

 

[Pelops]

I totally agree with you: Apple indeed has much influence, and Microsoft has started to mess with Windows' interface.

Apple shout louder than anyone else. Unlike their product, their marketing job is excellent. Apple is like fashion accessories, nice to own, hard to keep.

 

[Mars]

I wasn't one of those tools, I kept using 3.11 for years after 95 came out. And that hype didn't inconvenience thousands of people using a completely different OS, Apple's hype does. Same goes for the gizmos or whatever they were called - they never hurt anyone.

Go back to 3.11, technology is obviously not for you. Personally I don't like the mac interface much, but I have a brain in my head and therefore I can appreciate the fact that me not liking it does not make it crap.
You, on the other hand, seem to struggle with the world outside your head. You seem to think that if you don't like it, or can't understand it, it must be crap. And then, if other people still like it in spite of you, they must be taken by the hype.

Get over yourself. Nobody is telling you you have to like apple or sidebars or gadgets. You don't have to like them. They might take you off their chrismis list, but who cares? Find something you do like and talk about that instead. because its constructive.
What you're doing here.. its brainless. Blindly hating something because people like it and want to be like it is brainless. You have a brain. Use it.

I totally agree with you: Apple indeed has much influence, and Microsoft has started to mess with Windows' interface.

Apple shout louder than anyone else. Unlike their product, their marketing job is excellent. Apple is like fashion accessories, nice to own, hard to keep.

brainless!

 

[Kasyx]

Apple has less than 10% market share, and any luddite who can't handle a real OS can buy a fruit branded computer.

This coming from someone who is desperately trying to make their "real OS" look like Windows?

You know why people love Apple? Because their user interface is excellent. They have done an exceptional job with it, and that is why people are imitating it. Have you picked up an iPad? The UI is incredible; so much so that one can understand and use it even if they had lived under a rock for the last twenty years.

Now, I am no Apple fan-boy. I hate the company and the way they do business, but that doesn't mean that they haven't mastered usability. So yes, people are going to imitate Apple UIs, get over it. The only reason you prefer Windows is because it is what you are used to, and that does not necessarily hold true for everyone. Me? I love the dock concept - I use it on my laptop running Arch Linux, and I use it on my desktop running Windows 7. Why? Because it is sleek, easy, and most of all effective.

And lastly, Windows is not a real OS. It will become a real OS when I can decide what I want it to do. I don't need IE, I don't need 10 svhost processes eating up my memory with crap I am never going to need, and I sure as hell shouldn't need 16GB free space just to install the damn thing.

I consider a good operating system to be one that offers me a layer to interface with my hardware in a manner that best suits me. Windows offers me bloat, and hides everything I may want to play with. In terms of the hardware abstraction layer, Windows is the burka to Linux's bikini.

 

[kilobits]

In terms of the hardware abstraction layer, Windows is the burka to Linux's bikini.

Coffee spewing kark funny!!!!!!!!!!

 

[korn101]

Kasyx has just provided one of the best and most truthful argument replies on this forum.

I was comfortable with Windows, because I was BORN into it. My families first PC was a Windows 98 machine. I've been comfortable with Windows ever since, and I loved Windows 7, it was simply superb. But, after being finally convinced after weeks of my friend ranting and raving about how great linux ubuntu was, I decided to try it. At first I agree, it was rather uncomfortable in first appearance, I didn't totally like the controls, the menus, the dialogs, and I didn't like the little things, like the theme. But, after deciding to install Ubuntu alongside Windows 7 in dual boot, I made the decision after wanting to have some kind of Troubleshooting / Diagnostics platform to use when Windows decided to screw up. Over the course of the few weeks, I started to alter between Windows and Ubuntu, still not prepared to make the seemingly massive jump. So I'd alternate between the two, everytime going back to windows to play MW2, at this point I had already started to see that Ubuntu was great, but I wasn't 100% prepared to switch over completely.

Installing Ubuntu in dual boot, would prove to be the best decision I'd made, because in the next 1 or 2 weeks Windows had decided to start giving me problems, so much so, I decided to run the recovery and back track it to an older configuration, then everything broke. The Winsock drivers packed up or something, so the Wifi didn't work.. Steam, MSN, and almost every single application didn't work. Windows was, to say the least: *****ed. I thought it might be a virus, but whatever.. So, this pushed me into the deep end. Ubuntu would be the only alternative I had, So it had to be, there was no turning back.

A few weeks later now, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Like I always say: "Going back to Windows from Bbuntu, is like going from your own personal Hotel Suite, to a shoddy red light district motel.

In other words. Windows Sucks, Ubuntu Owns. Apples UI is amazing.

Ubuntu fuses the Functionality of Windows, with the Glamour of Apple OS X's UI.

 

[Kasyx]

I think my biggest problem with this thread is that the major complaint is not the performance of Ubuntu, but rather how pretty it is. And the thing is, Ubuntu, or rather GTK/Compiz, can be customized so easily and effectively, that the main argument is not that we are stuck with a single theme, but rather that the OP finds one theme out of thousands to be annoying, and clearly believes that this deserves the dedication of an entire thread...

 

[Drunkard #1]

I thought this thread was dead, but anyway. (Some of your monologues have been summarised.)

I don't give a crap what you say. The Apple Mac OS X interface / look, is one of the sexiest looks of the 21st Century.

<fanboi monologue>

Enough said.

If Apples are soooo great, why does 90% of the planet run Windows. And before you start ranting about how all Windows users are forced into using Windows / are uninformed / just need to use OSX just once / are too used to Windows, conciser the simplest, most elegant explanation: Apples aren't as great as you think they are - Occam's razor (second time I've had to use it this week, it's a damn effective tool.)

Go back to 3.11, technology is obviously not for you.

<fanboi missing the point>

Blindly hating something because people like it and want to be like it is brainless. You have a brain. Use it.

I was expressing an opinion, (I know [-]God[/-] Steve doesn't approve of free thought, but I'm not an Apple follower, so His rules don't apply to me) so yes, if I don't like it, it IS crap. You may disagree (and you'll be wrong), but don't tell me what to think.

brainless!

Ja, my thread isn't constructive, but this is?

This coming from someone who is desperately trying to make their "real OS" look like Windows?

You know why people love Apple? Because their user interface is excellent.

<fanboi praising the idiot proof UI and some Windows dissing>

I consider a good operating system to be one that offers me a layer to interface with my hardware in a manner that best suits me. Windows offers me bloat, and hides everything I may want to play with. In terms of the hardware abstraction layer, Windows is the burka to Linux's bikini.

Windows just works. It works with most hardware and most software, most peripherals and most system components, and neither Apple nor Linux comes close. Sure, it's been dumbed down over the years, but that's my whole point, it's trying to become idiot proof, like OSX, rather than more powerful. I blame Apple and their fanbois for this.

Kasyx has just provided one of the best and most truthful argument replies on this forum.

<Windows horror story>

A few weeks later now, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Like I always say: "Going back to Windows from Bbuntu, is like going from your own personal Hotel Suite, to a shoddy red light district motel.

In other words. Windows Sucks, Ubuntu Owns. Apples UI is amazing.

Ubuntu fuses the Functionality of Windows, with the Glamour of Apple OS X's UI.

Don't make your problems my problems, if Windows ****ed out, it was your fault. It's not going to protect you from yourself like OSX does.

Apple and Linux don't come close to Windows, when you stop playing games and sit down to do real work (as in work, not pointless research or making pretty pictures). Apple's UI could be [-]God's[/-] Steve's gift to mankind, but it doesn't help **** if it can't run the software I want it to, on the hardware I want it to. Same goes for linux, great for simplistic devices and research, terrible for work.

For the record, I started on DOS 2.1 and BASIC, so I'm not as technologically challenged as you seem to think. Also, I hate Windows 7 (I made a thread about that too), but I'm dual booting it with XP because there are a few improvements I can't live without.

I think my biggest problem with this thread is that the major complaint is not the performance of Ubuntu, but rather how pretty it is. And the thing is, Ubuntu, or rather GTK/Compiz, can be customized so easily and effectively, that the main argument is not that we are stuck with a single theme, but rather that the OP finds one theme out of thousands to be annoying, and clearly believes that this deserves the dedication of an entire thread...

I'm not the only one who hates the new UNE UI, (remember, we're talking about the Netbook edition, not the Desktop edition) and I'd rather not have to tweak every characteristic of the interface just to use it, or install a dozen options before I find one I like. Maybe you've got time to waste, I expect my OS to get on with the job, without my supervision.

Anyway, as far as updates go: I installed Linux Mint 10 RC, and it's 100 times better than the UNE UI, but I don't know if it's netbook optimised. It does a funny fade in/fade out effect with the windows, and I'm sure that chews cycles unnecessarily. Why can't I find something that works straight out of the box? WHY?