I hate Apple

[Lino]

Windows just works? No it doesnt , network and sharing center is a pain misconfigure something simple and the whole os crashes. Only had a Mac for 2 weeks and it just works, you dont need 20 clicks to do something simple unlike Windows 7

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[koffiejunkie]

Windows just works. It works with most hardware and most software, most peripherals and most system components, and neither Apple nor Linux comes close.

Actually, for the longest time, that wasn't the case. For the longest time Windows supported hardly any hardware, down to things that had been stock generic for more than a decade at the time, like DMA on IDE controllers) unless you installed the drivers provided by the manufacturers. And these drivers, even from the giants like Intel, were often not well written, often clashed with other drivers, sometimes completely hozed your system. Windows 7 is the first one I've installed on a relatively new system and had it pick up most (but not all) components on its own.

Apple and Linux don't come close to Windows, when you stop playing games and sit down to do real work (as in work, not pointless research or making pretty pictures).

That's a odd statement, seeing as how Windows is still the chosen platform for gaming.

So what exactly do you consider to be "real work"?

 

[Kasyx]

I'm not sure to what exact level you misinterpreted my post, but I am in no way an Apple "fanboi". In fact, I don't own a single Apple product, nor do I want to; their business model is despicable and for the same price as a Mac, I can buy one beast of a PC. See, the problem is you seem to believe in some weird sort of line in the sand between operating systems; one can either be one type of "fanboi" or the other. I don't like OSX; I've used it, and it doesn't work for me at all. I don't really see how you could have made the assumption that I am leading a crusade to convert all Windows users to OSX based on my comment that I think Apple has good UI design...

I have no problem with using various operating systems for various things. Windows is pretty much all there is for gaming, hence it is currently installed on my desktop. Apple has some great UI stuff going on, so I am seriously considering buying an iPhone. Why? Because it works for what I need. Linux does everything else for me. I run Arch Linux with GNOME and RatPoison on my laptop, and a stripped-down, hardened version of Arch on my proxy/firewall/dev box. You seem incapable of comprehending that someone can appreciate certain aspects of an OS without being a die-hard "fanboi" about it.

And no, Windows is not perfect. Anything but. You know why I prefer Linux? Because when something breaks, it is my fault, and not some quirk in the source code. And, I can assure you, 90% of the planet does not run on Windows. I think you will find that you are almost 100% wrong. And that's just the supercomputer market, if you will take a gander at the server market you will see that Linux has almost double the server market compared to Windows. Yes, the desktop market share is lacking, and that can be attributed to many things. The main one, insofar as this argument goes, is the fact that, unlike companies like Google (yes, Google is predominantly run on Linux, much like a large portion of the planet's economy), desktop users don't require exceptional stability.

Linux is built with customizability in mind. People who use Linux like to have control over what their OS does. So no, it isn't going to work out of the box. See, unlike Windows, it doesn't use up 16GB of space just so that someone's ALPHATECH 9000 MACHO MACHO GOBSTOPPER FIN BIN LIN TIN BISCUITBARREL MAXOMGHOLY**** 802.11a/b/c/d/e/f/g wifi card works. If you need it, you install it, rather than having it there doing nothing but wasting space. So if you want something that "just works", stick to Windows; no one is forcing you to use Linux.

You seem pretty set in your ways. So much so that I'm not quite sure I understand what you are doing in the Linux section of MyBB... If Windows is so perfect, why not stick to it and leave the sexier operating system to those of us who can appreciate it. I'm not going to try and convert you. The reason there are different operating systems in the first place is because people like different things, so if Windows makes you happy, by all means use it, just don't expect to come into a Linux section of a forum and have your personal sentiments repeated back to you.

 

[fskmh]

Why is this thread even in the Linux subforum? It is clear that the OP has no genuine interest in Linux beyond the point of making Ubuntu look like Windows.

@ the OP
If you have a beef with Apple, try the Apple subforum.

 

[Drunkard #1]

The thread is here because I don't want to install a 10 year old version of Windows onto my netbook. I know it will run, (and run well - I'm running Windows 2000 on lighter hardware than an Aspire One, and it runs fine) but I wanted something newer.

Netbook OSs need to have all the fancy cycle stealing crap removed, have reduced ram requirements, an optimised desktop and maybe even a simple interface, then they'll be lightning fast and super useful. I know Ubuntu has lost the plot because the original Acer version of Linpus runs better than the latest Ubuntu.

Ubuntu netbook edition seems more focused on an flashy UI than anything useful (to me). I hated the sidebar, yet the interface is soooo customisable that I couldn't get rid of it without changing some well hidden setting to some obscure value, they moved the windows controls to the wrong side (for 90% of the planet) of the title bar, again with some super obscure setting required to restore normality, they got rid of the nice brown colour scheme (two versions ago) and replaced it with that hideous purple, and to top it all off, I had to do a clean install, because the upgrade procedure hung after 6 hours, rendering the machine unbootable. And almost nothing had a right click menu, the most obvious place to put a "side bar position - left, right, top, bottom, off" setting.

If they just stuck to improving reliability and building a useful interface, I'd be much happier, but noooooo, everything these days must copy Apple.

As for servers and supercomputers, I think you'll find that including them, Windows still has a 90% market share, because of the shear volume of PCs it's installed on. Linux dominates the server and supercomputer market, because they're run by geeks who do nothing else, not something your average company wants to install onto his office PCs. Even then, not all parts of the server market that are Linux dominated, just specialised pockets within that market. Why are we discussing servers anyway? I don't actually care what Google runs on, I want an OS for my netbook (which won't be receiving 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 web search queries per second).

So yes, I also use the most appropriate OS for the job at hand, and with their latest release, UNE isn't it, because they're trying to copy Apple, and since OSX is FAIL, their fail copy of some OSX features is EPIC FAIL.

 

[Kasyx]

As for servers and supercomputers, I think you'll find that including them, Windows still has a 90% market share, because of the shear volume of PCs it's installed on. Linux dominates the server and supercomputer market, because they're run by geeks who do nothing else, not something your average company wants to install onto his office PCs. Even then, not all parts of the server market that are Linux dominated, just specialised pockets within that market. Why are we discussing servers anyway? I don't actually care what Google runs on, I want an OS for my netbook (which won't be receiving 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 web search queries per second).

We're discussing servers and supercomputers because I was rebutting your quip about 90% of the planet running on Windows. You note how I linked to sources to back up what I was saying? You should try doing that too, because right now it is pretty obvious you are pulling all your information right out your ass.

And it's really nobody's fault that your precious Windows is not ready to enter the Netbook market; it's not like Netbooks haven't been around for the last 4 years. You'd think that a multi-billion dollar corporation would be slightly better equipped to understand market demand than the "bunch of geeks" who maintain Ubuntu. But hey, I guess they're just not there yet, so what say you stop whining about it. I realize you hate everything that isn't Windows XP, but you know what, sometimes you just have to make do with what you've got. If more games ran under Linux, you bet your ass I would be using it as opposed to Windows. But there aren't, and you don't see me starting threads bitching about something I am forced to use as a stop-gap.

 

[Drunkard #1]

We're discussing servers and supercomputers because I was rebutting your quip about 90% of the planet running on Windows. You note how I linked to sources to back up what I was saying? You should try doing that too, because right now it is pretty obvious you are pulling all your information right out your ass.

And it's really nobody's fault that your precious Windows is not ready to enter the Netbook market; it's not like Netbooks haven't been around for the last 4 years. You'd think that a multi-billion dollar corporation would be slightly better equipped to understand market demand than the "bunch of geeks" who maintain Ubuntu. But hey, I guess they're just not there yet, so what say you stop whining about it. I realize you hate everything that isn't Windows XP, but you know what, sometimes you just have to make do with what you've got. If more games ran under Linux, you bet your ass I would be using it as opposed to Windows. But there aren't, and you don't see me starting threads bitching about something I am forced to use as a stop-gap.

Yes, those stats come straight out my ass, and yet you still can't find anything better. Your wiki page starts by saying "There is little published information on the usage share of desktop and laptop computers. Web client information (see below) is often used as a proxy for this..." so where do you get your stats? and since desktops and notebooks outnumber web servers and supercomputers 10 000 to one, they're all that matter when you're talking stats.

As for Windows not running on netbooks, how does 68% sound? Sounds like they're dominating that market too. And not that Linux didn't try, they tried, and failed - the public demanded Windows.

You carry on being an Apple fanboi, and I'll carry on hating everything Apple does, but I'll use Mint (the most windows-like linux) on my netbook unless someone can suggest something else.

 

[Kasyx]

How, after everything I have said, can you still think I am an "Apple fanboi"? I'm sorry, but if your misinterpretation of my comments is anything to go on, having this argument is futile as you are clearly incapable of reading at an adult level.

Let me sum up for you my feelings about various operating systems:

Apple: Excellent UI, horrible business model, money-hungry bastards.

Windows: Great driver compatibility and user-friendliness (though the latter may be due to their almost-monopoly standing in the desktop market)

Linux: Incredibly stability, exceptional customization, low on resources, free.

So yes, every operating system has its benefits. It is up to each person to decide which OS to use for what task. Why are you so incapable of understanding this basic concept? Why can you not grasp the simple fact that people don't have to conform to a single OS while hating all the others? Everything I have been saying has been about the benefits of each OS, but you seem to insist that a single OS is superior and all others are, as you so succinctly put it, "EPIC FAIL".

I realize you mentioned using DOS2.1, but are you sure you're not mistaken? Because you debate with the ability of a child.

 

[hawker]

If you want something light to run on your netbook, and you don't want Ubuntu flashy UI there are, like, well *gasp* other options!

Install Arch, and build from there.

 

[koffiejunkie]

As for Windows not running on netbooks, how does 68% sound? Sounds like they're dominating that market too. And not that Linux didn't try, they tried, and failed - the public demanded Windows.

It failed because of complete and utter abortions like the one you mentioned earlier - "Linpus"


And I see you completely ignored my question. You can rant and bitch and wail all you like about how you hate apple for the flimsiest of reasons. But you can not expect to be taken seriously when you start accusing one or another operating system to not be any good for "real work."

So I ask you again: what exactly do you consider to be "real work"? What kind of "real work" can only be done on a version of windows that has long since been discontinued or a Linux desktop themed to look like Windows?

 

[fskmh]

As for Windows not running on netbooks, how does 68% sound? Sounds like they're dominating that market too. And not that Linux didn't try, they tried, and failed - the public demanded Windows.

Congrats, you're running a failed OS on your netbook. How does that sound?

 

[Synaesthesia]

I disagree that the Windows UI paradigm is always the best and should be copied.
I love the Expose feature of Mac OS X, (and the Linux clones of that). I don't think anyone who's used it will disagree, it's the best way to manage multiple Windows.

 

[Kasyx]

I disagree that the Windows UI paradigm is always the best and should be copied.
I love the Expose feature of Mac OS X, (and the Linux clones of that). I don't think anyone who's used it will disagree, it's the best way to manage multiple Windows.

Careful, Synaesthesia. You don't want the OP calling you an Apple "fanboi"!

 

[korn101]

Me? An Apple "Fanboi" ?

The only Apple Product i own, is an iPod. In the total exposure I've had with Mac's, I've experienced An initially hard to use interface, and I just didn't like them, at all. But I did find the UI really nice.

I'm not sure what made you assume I'm a "fanboi", I complemented the GUI, not the ****ing operating system as a whole. I think the GUI is nice, It flows, it's sleek, it's sexy.

I praise Ubuntu for its: Usability, Power, Performance, Functionality, and it's GUI capabilities aswell.

And I'm not just some stupid "Fanboi" who doesn't know 2 craps about PC's, I've programmed BASIC, C++, C#, Java, and Assembly. I think that's atleast enough to establish how well informed I am.

I will formulate it once more:

Apple: Great UI, Great Productability (Graphics, Video, Audio, etc), Greedy Tunnel visioned bastards. - Why I say this, is they want your whole life to be Apple based.

Windows: Dominates market, because it was one of the firsts, it became the industry "favourite" to say. It has probably the best universal driver support, but the user share is dominated by idiots.

Linux (Ubuntu): Free, Open Source, Customizable, Great UI, Fairly newish. - People are often scared to make the jump. Most of the Windows Idiots are too stupid to be faced by an OS that demands your attention to learn, and adapt. - ie. the Terminal.

 

[Synaesthesia]

Nobody wants to use an OS which forces you to use a terminal. I loved Ubuntu when I tried it first. It was amazing, almost everything was perfect. But to just change the resolution in my screen, I had to search the forums, and edit xorg.conf or something with my terminal!

 

[Drunkard #1]

In no particular order:

I like Linpus, it has pretty icons, simple settings, was quick to boot and load apps, the off button actually turns the machine off and it still runs my bog standard Huawei K3565 better than Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10. Basically, it was a near perfect netbook UI. I still use it on netbook1. It's a pity that it doesn't update itself or it's apps.

I like the terminal (and command prompt), but I agree that there are too many things in Ubuntu that still require you to use it.

I had to google Expose, and see that it's like the "switch windows" button on Windows 7. That button is on my quick launch bar, but I never use it. Why? Because I use a taskbar (like XP had), not a stupid dock that only shows one icon per application, and doesn't even show whether it's running or not. (I'm talking about the Windows 7 imitation dock, I have no clue what the Apple dock does).

I know I'm running a failed OS, but I'm running a cheap-ass netbook, which won't run a real OS. I have never, and will never use an OS with the word "home" in it's name; the word alone is enough to give me flashbacks to Windows 95.

hawker, what have I ever done to you, that you'd want to inflict that on me. I want something that works, out the box.

As for the rest of the comments, the Windows XP UI is the pinnacle of UI design. Everything else is crap, and anyone that supports the UI of other OSs is a fanboi. Deal with it.

Off topic: I've been trying to check my balance, load airtime, and send and receive SMSs on my K3565 using Ubuntu for the past 6 months. Has anyone managed this obviously insurmountable task.

 

[Kasyx]

As for the rest of the comments, the Windows XP UI is the pinnacle of UI design. Everything else is crap, and anyone that supports the UI of other OSs is a fanboi. Deal with it.

This might be the most infantile comment I have ever read on MyBB. And that is saying a lot...

 

[Drunkard #1]

This might be the most infantile comment I have ever read on MyBB. And that is saying a lot...

It isn't even the most infantile comment in the IT discussions sub forum this week. And you know it's true.

 

[koffiejunkie]

I had to google Expose, and see that it's like the "switch windows" button on Windows 7. That button is on my quick launch bar, but I never use it. Why? Because I use a taskbar (like XP had), not a stupid dock that only shows one icon per application, and doesn't even show whether it's running or not. (I'm talking about the Windows 7 imitation dock, I have no clue what the Apple dock does).

So your beef should really be with Ubuntu copying Microsoft - not Apple

Off topic: I've been trying to check my balance, load airtime, and send and receive SMSs on my K3565 using Ubuntu for the past 6 months. Has anyone managed this obviously insurmountable task.

I've only been able to do this with whatever tool the network provides, regardless of network or OS. That said, I haven't tried too hard to get that sort of information by 3rd party means. The network I use (3.co.uk) redirects me to their page if I my data is used up, and I can buy some more on-line.

 

[avert]

cant you just run openbox/fluxbox/xfce4/etc instead of unity? problem solved, no more tears.