I smoked last night...

[AfricanTech]

You're going to Bieber's concert? :wtf:

I have a 13 year old daughter

Need I say more! :banghead:

 

[abandonallhope]

The only dipsticks I've seen in this thread are the ones advocating smoking in non-smoking areas, and asserting that there's nothing wrong with it.

Really? None of it? At all? Sure. Odd that the only people particularly bothered by a bit of smoke tend to be the self-same people who go through life as if they have broomsticks up their naughts.

Classic HapticSimian style.

Evading and ignoring the actual issue.

 

[Zewp]

*****ing smokers think they have all these rights to ruin my fresh air. concert or not...if you want to kill yourself, fine but don't drag me down with your sorry pathetic lives.

This. I'm still holding thumbs the government will pass legislation so smokers may only smoke at home.

 

[HapticSimian]

My sinuses block up within seconds of being exposed to smoke of any sort, be it a veld fire or someone smoking in my vicinity. So no, I don't have a broomstick up my arse, just that I like to be able to breathe comfortably.

Don't equate "stuckupness" with a very real health risk and level of discomfort. If you want to smoke, puff away, so long as it is not in an area where it is illegal. Just like I won't drink in a public place because I've nearly been arrested before doing it, smokers need to accept that smoking is illegal in public places and they should also realise that a lot of folks want no part of their intrusive habit.

I don't contend that some small number of people might not suffer legitimate discomfort. What I take issue with is the oft accompanying disproportionate theatrics.

Classic HapticSimian style.

Evading and ignoring the actual issue.

Classic abandonallhope style.

Pointless interjections with zero contributory value.

 

[Zewp]

I often wonder how much of that is psychosomatic; whiny dipsticks getting so deeply traumatised at the sight of a lit cigarette that they think themselves ill.

I haven't touched a cigarette for 6 months, but I've been around smokers constantly in that time. Can't say I've once experienced any of these symptoms. I also know a fair number of people who have never smoked, but the sight of someone smoking doesn't turn them into self-righteous clowns either.

See, this is the issue with smokers. They are some of the most selfish people I know. They insist that other people are being selfish by not wanting to smell their stink.

I used to be a smoker and ever since I stopped I cannot stand being around people who smoke. It makes me feel sick to just be around it. Now we're being told it's psychosomatic? I wonder how psychosomatic smokers' inability to wait a few minutes until there are no non-smokers around before lighting up a cigarette is? How many times have smokers said 'I'm sorry, but I can't wait any longer right now. I desperately need a smoke.?'

I've reached the point where I don't even befriend smokers any longer, because it's just such a nuisance. Whenever you want to organize a social event you always have make sure you provision for their damned habit, simply because they cannot go a few hours without smoking. I have in the past actually made smoker friends stand outside in the cold and/or rain when they need to smoke, simply because I refuse to let people smoke in my apartment.

 

[abandonallhope]

I don't contend that some small number of people might not suffer legitimate discomfort. What I take issue with is the oft accompanying disproportionate theatrics.

You and Nick333 are buddies ?

 

[abandonallhope]

See, this is the issue with smokers. They are some of the most selfish people I know. They insist that other people are being selfish by not wanting to smell their stink.

Maximum stereotyping.

 

[HapticSimian]

See, this is the issue with smokers. They are some of the most selfish people I know. They insist that other people are being selfish by not wanting to smell their stink.

I used to be a smoker and ever since I stopped I cannot stand being around people who smoke. It makes me feel sick to just be around it. Now we're being told it's psychosomatic? I wonder how psychosomatic smokers' inability to wait a few minutes until there are no non-smokers around before lighting up a cigarette is? How many times have smokers said 'I'm sorry, but I can't wait any longer right now. I desperately need a smoke.?'

Conceited ex-smokers... don't you just love 'em?

My main concern when deciding to quit was that I was going to turn into somebody like you. Thankfully I managed to avoid that specific pitfall. You feel sick just being around someone who smokes? Shame... probably the pangs of the cravings getting to you. Perhaps you're just too weak-minded to ever truly be rid of the habit, so much so that you just can't stand the sight of others doing what you once enjoyed.

Harden the **** up, man.

 

[abandonallhope]

Conceited ex-smokers... don't you just love 'em?

My main concern when deciding to quit was that I was going to turn into somebody like you.

You shouldn't, It honestly wouldn't have made much difference.

 

[Zewp]

Conceited ex-smokers... don't you just love 'em?

My main concern when deciding to quit was that I was going to turn into somebody like you. Thankfully I managed to avoid that specific pitfall. You feel sick just being around someone who smokes? Shame... probably the pangs of the cravings getting to you. Perhaps you're just too weak-minded to ever truly be rid of the habit, so much so that you just can't stand the sight of others doing what you once enjoyed.

Harden the **** up, man.

Yes, my eyes starting to get red and puffy, me feeling nauseous and actually throwing up once when I tried it again is my body craving for more.

Good on you for reading my post wrong. I never said I can't stand the sight of other people smoking. I can't stand when people do it around me and I have to inhale that crap.

Go do it where only you have to breathe in your fumes, thank you very much. I also like eating Indian food, but I don't stand around making runny farts into people's faces.

 

[HapticSimian]

You shouldn't, It honestly wouldn't have made much difference.

Apologies; I must be missing the coherent thought I'm sure that post must express. Could you try again, perhaps?

 

[techead]

Conceited ex-smokers... don't you just love 'em?

My main concern when deciding to quit was that I was going to turn into somebody like you. Thankfully I managed to avoid that specific pitfall. You feel sick just being around someone who smokes? Shame... probably the pangs of the cravings getting to you. Perhaps you're just too weak-minded to ever truly be rid of the habit, so much so that you just can't stand the sight of others doing what you once enjoyed.

Harden the **** up, man.

this is most certainly a portion of ex-smokers who are like a t-rex who cant scratch their balls anymore, so they lash out at people who still smoke. not everyone though. I honestly am glad I dont smoke anymore, and I have zero desire to smoke. I dont have cravings/pangs etc etc.

It's simply more annoying than it used to be, and blocks up my sinuses within seconds. I dont know why. Aside from the fact that it annoys me (and some people it doesnt) its still bad for you to sit and inhale second hand smoke. I mean, that is the main issue for me that I stopped, for health reasons. So to not be annoyed by it, and still sit and breath in second smoke... well I might as well start smoking again

 

[HapticSimian]

Yes, my eyes starting to get red and puffy, me feeling nauseous and actually throwing up once when I tried it again is my body craving for more.

Not your body, your mind. Psychosomatic. See?

Good on you for reading my post wrong. I never said I can't stand the sight of other people smoking. I can't stand when people do it around me and I have to inhale that crap.


Go do it where only you have to breathe in your fumes, thank you very much. I also like eating Indian food, but I don't stand around making runny farts into people's faces.

Best stay indoors then, and get one of these:



Your rights do not trump those of smokers; unless you're being forced at gunpoint to suck on a cigarette you can as much go be overly dramatic somewhere else as what a smoker can take his cigarette elsewhere. Being around whiny little clowns annoys me to no end, but I don't demand that you confine yourselves to places I'll never be. Society demands that we tolerate each other's shortcomings and vices as much as is practically possible.

 

[Zewp]

Or how about this, HapticSimian. How about smokers start realising that they're rights do not trump those of non-smokers? They've got areas where they are allowed to smoke. How about they smoke there and respect non-smokers right not to have to endure the stench of cigarettes?

I don't mind people smoking. Really, I don't. I do mind when they're obnoxious and selfish about it. Non-smokers don't smoke for a reason. Smoking is your choice, so don't force other people to deal with your habit.

As I said, Indian food farts are fun, but I don't force other people to endure my Indian food farts.

 

[SauRoNZA]

You smoked half a pack by secondary smoke?

I'm sorry but unless you were french kissing said persons while they were smoking I doubt it has affected you at all in an open air stadium.

More than likely it's the pyrotechnics and smoke machines and what not that have made you feel a bit sif this morning, not to mention the general abnormal behaviour of going to the rock concert the night before.

 

[HapticSimian]

Or how about this, HapticSimian. How about smokers start realising that they're rights do not trump those of non-smokers? They've got areas where they are allowed to smoke. How about they smoke there and respect non-smokers right not to have to endure the stench of cigarettes?

their*, and non-smokers'*, and sure... within reason. I'll again reiterate that my issue is with the oft-accompanying theatrics and disproportionate responses of perhaps a minority of non- and ex-smokers. The odd person will flout the regulations and light up where politically correct ordinances would have them not do so. If this happens to be a large open-air area it's your and my responsibility to not act like whiny little girls about it.

I don't mind people smoking. Really, I don't. I do mind when they're obnoxious and selfish about it. Non-smokers don't smoke for a reason. Smoking is your choice, so don't force other people to deal with your habit.

As I said, Indian food farts are fun, but I don't force other people to endure my Indian food farts.

And as I implied, the principle goes far beyond people's freedom to smoke or not. It is simply in society's best interest that we tolerate one another as far as practicable.

 

[Zewp]

If this happens to be a large open-air area it's your and my responsibility to not act like whiny little girls about it.

Yet if said open-air area happens to be an area where smoking is forbidden, it's still against the rules and non-smokers are justified in complaining about it. Against the rules is against the rules, imo. Go do it elsewhere if you really can't spend two hours without smoking.

As an ex-smoker I understand that when the craving is there, it's there, but I tried to be respectful as far as I could. My dependency on cigarettes was my problem, I didn't make it anyone else's problem by forcing them to deal with my habit. If I really couldn't help myself I'd leave and go find some place to smoke where it didn't bother other people.

And as I implied, the principle goes far beyond people's freedom to smoke or not. It is simply in society's best interest that we tolerate one another as far as practicable.

But here's the thing - smokers have alternatives. You don't have to smoke in the midst of a bunch of non-smokers. You can simply walk out the doors, smoke outside and come back. Your habit is something you can actually help. It was your choice to smoke. I don't quite get how we can have people clamoring to penalize people for being fat simply because it makes other people uncomfortable, yet we have people defending the practice of doing something that is entirely within your control in the midst of a bunch of people who opted not to take part in the habit.

It's all about respect and being well-mannered.

I have the habit of cracking my knuckles because I like the sound it makes. However, I have manners so I don't sit and do it in company because I understand that there are people who do not like the sound. I don't sit around complaining because I expect other people to tolerate my habit.

 

[HapticSimian]

Yet if said open-air area happens to be an area where smoking is forbidden, it's still against the rules and non-smokers are justified in complaining about it. Against the rules is against the rules, imo. Go do it elsewhere if you really can't spend two hours without smoking.

Just because something is made a law or regulation it does not necessarily follow that such a law or regulation is just and fair, or alternatively not fundamentally stupid. Not all regulations are deserved of being obeyed.

As an ex-smoker I understand that when the craving is there, it's there, but I tried to be respectful as far as I could. My dependency on cigarettes was my problem, I didn't make it anyone else's problem by forcing them to deal with my habit. If I really couldn't help myself I'd leave and go find some place to smoke where it didn't bother other people.

Sure, but your actions as considerate smoker aren't under scrutiny.

But here's the thing - smokers have alternatives. You don't have to smoke in the midst of a bunch of non-smokers. You can simply walk out the doors, smoke outside and come back. Your habit is something you can actually help. It was your choice to smoke. I don't quite get how we can have people clamoring to penalize people for being fat simply because it makes other people uncomfortable, yet we have people defending the practice of doing something that is entirely within your control in the midst of a bunch of people who opted not to take part in the habit.

The notion that smelling someone else's smoke equates to you being forced to partake is fascist and illogical. Further, people who demand a ban on smoking and those who demand the same on fattening foods are both equally moronic. We cannot hope to rid the world of every element that might be detrimental to our health & the path to over-regulation of anything isn't one anyone should happily dance down.

It's all about respect and being well-mannered.

...and accepting the reality of being one of seven billion, and not throwing a hissy-fit when another one of seven billion does not act in accordance with your own ideals.

I have the habit of cracking my knuckles because I like the sound it makes. However, I have manners so I don't sit and do it in company because I understand that there are people who do not like the sound. I don't sit around complaining because I expect other people to tolerate my habit.

Self-regulation and tolerance; beautiful things, aren't they? Which is all I'm advocating.

 

[Zewp]

Self-regulation, yes. Why then are you advocating people smoking where it bothers other people? I can understand if a non-smoker is being an ******* by purposely walking towards the secluded spot where you are having a smoke and then coughing and making an issue of things, but if you're sitting in the midst of a bunch of non-smokers, in an area deemed a non-smoking area no less, and you light up a cigarette, are you not being an *******?

That's all I'm advocating. By all means, smoke, but do it somewhere where it doesn't bother other people. That's how I was brought up. If I want to do something that bothers other people, then do it where it doesn't bother other people. I think that's a really good rule to live by and I don't for a moment think that asking expecting a smoker not to smoke in a non-smoking area is inappropriate. It's simply good manners to respect those who are affected by your choices and actions.

 

[HapticSimian]

Self-regulation, yes. Why then are you advocating people smoking where it bothers other people?

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I'm not doing anything of the sort. I simply realise that it will, sometimes, invariably happen & to make a big song and dance about it when it does is puerile.