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Drop the cap/shaping, drop or at the very least LOWER the friggin rental
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ICASA ADSL Hearings: Your Feedback Needed
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Cancelled due to lack of interest
Although my internect oonneciton was important to me and was something that i used every day i decided to cancel my service. This after wating 7 weeks for the line to be transfered to my new house.
I suppose that in a while, if the processes are reduced and the value of having such a service is something which does not make me consider selling something of real value or sacraficing a real need - then i might consider a rethink of my attitide. but...
In the mean time I am anti-Telkom, resolving to use my cell phone services for my communication needs. This despite the enigmatic, monopolistic and, dare i say, creative advertising by this gargantuan waste of time money and effort of a company.
Although my internect oonneciton was important to me and was something that i used every day i decided to cancel my service. This after wating 7 weeks for the line to be transfered to my new house.
I suppose that in a while, if the processes are reduced and the value of having such a service is something which does not make me consider selling something of real value or sacraficing a real need - then i might consider a rethink of my attitide. but...
In the mean time I am anti-Telkom, resolving to use my cell phone services for my communication needs. This despite the enigmatic, monopolistic and, dare i say, creative advertising by this gargantuan waste of time money and effort of a company.
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I'd also like to know what the real contention ratios are. This is allegedly a best effort service, but if the contention ratios are really terrible then Telkom's efforts cannot be perceived as "best" at any time. Dropping the line rental to a once off fee would be a much greater saving to the public.
Also, SAIX offering Internet connectivity to the public is a conflicting interest, particularly when bandwidth is supplied to other ISPs on Telkom's terms. SAIX can undercut other ISPs quite comfortably and rather easily. SAIX should not be permitted to offer ISP services to the public, or they should be a completely separated and self owned/managed company.
So in a nutshell: Lower prices across the board, remove monthly line rental an charge only a once off. Do not allow SAIX to operate as an ISP to th public, as it is a conflict of interest.
Also, SAIX offering Internet connectivity to the public is a conflicting interest, particularly when bandwidth is supplied to other ISPs on Telkom's terms. SAIX can undercut other ISPs quite comfortably and rather easily. SAIX should not be permitted to offer ISP services to the public, or they should be a completely separated and self owned/managed company.
So in a nutshell: Lower prices across the board, remove monthly line rental an charge only a once off. Do not allow SAIX to operate as an ISP to th public, as it is a conflict of interest.
1.) AS nexushub stated, lets see govt sell their share in Telkom and actually start regulating.
2.) How much of Telkoms profit is spent on upgrading infrastructure so we can be given better prices?
3.) When the SNO comes out, lets let the 2 companies have it out on the basis of price and see where we go. (this might be a bad idea cos telkom could probably force them out of the market, so some minimum would have to be set, but lets make it a reasonable one, not like when CellC came in and there was no change at all in the prices of contracts, airtime and such.)
4.) Higher caps, plz. General browsing will take on average 1.5Gb of your cap. Thats before any downloads or VoIP or streaming.
5.) We all know Telkom could reduce prices, so why doesn't the govt force them too? Do they not understand that it will be SO much better for our economy when they do?
6.) This is turning intoi a rant so I'm gonna stop now.
2.) How much of Telkoms profit is spent on upgrading infrastructure so we can be given better prices?
3.) When the SNO comes out, lets let the 2 companies have it out on the basis of price and see where we go. (this might be a bad idea cos telkom could probably force them out of the market, so some minimum would have to be set, but lets make it a reasonable one, not like when CellC came in and there was no change at all in the prices of contracts, airtime and such.)
4.) Higher caps, plz. General browsing will take on average 1.5Gb of your cap. Thats before any downloads or VoIP or streaming.
5.) We all know Telkom could reduce prices, so why doesn't the govt force them too? Do they not understand that it will be SO much better for our economy when they do?
6.) This is turning intoi a rant so I'm gonna stop now.
Why should we use web servers in the USA for hosting South African web sites or the content much cheaper than here?
Why does ICASA not compel Telkom to remove local bandwidht caps or make the minimum cap 150GB
Why does ICASA not compel Telkom to create small business bundles allowing any small businesses to become smb ISP's and resell bandwith which they get at a discounted rate
Nick Michael
Why does ICASA not compel Telkom to remove local bandwidht caps or make the minimum cap 150GB
Why does ICASA not compel Telkom to create small business bundles allowing any small businesses to become smb ISP's and resell bandwith which they get at a discounted rate
Nick Michael
Wholesale theft going on
ICASA not fit to regulate (and most likely will never be...)
The SA Government is an accomplice to large-scale robbery.
Any number of monopoly laws broken by Telkom/SAIX/Govt shareholding
Theft/Hijacking of a strategic national asset (SAT cable)
SAT-3 is the "Single Most Underutilised Tech Facility on the planet" (IEEE)
(Thanks for making us look like a bunch of nincompoops.)
The long-term damage to the fledgling Information Economy is
irreparable and cost inestimable.
Costs should be on a par with similar 3rd world country tariffs.
Refunds are in order OR WE'RE GOING TO GET MEDIEVAL ON THEIR ASSES!
Phantsi TelkomAsa, phantsi!
ICASA not fit to regulate (and most likely will never be...)
The SA Government is an accomplice to large-scale robbery.
Any number of monopoly laws broken by Telkom/SAIX/Govt shareholding
Theft/Hijacking of a strategic national asset (SAT cable)
SAT-3 is the "Single Most Underutilised Tech Facility on the planet" (IEEE)
(Thanks for making us look like a bunch of nincompoops.)
The long-term damage to the fledgling Information Economy is
irreparable and cost inestimable.
Costs should be on a par with similar 3rd world country tariffs.
Refunds are in order OR WE'RE GOING TO GET MEDIEVAL ON THEIR ASSES!
Phantsi TelkomAsa, phantsi!
The arguments that should be put forward are:
1. High cost of internet access which is effectively slowing down South Africas technological progression.
2. Small caps- I am not saying eliminate the cap but really standardise a Cap perhaps ten or fifteen gigs.
3. All ISPs should play fair non of this all other ISPs apply the cap while Telkominternet don't.
These are the important things that need to be tackled first, afterward we can start comparing ourselves to the rest of the world.
My 2c use it don't use it
1. High cost of internet access which is effectively slowing down South Africas technological progression.
2. Small caps- I am not saying eliminate the cap but really standardise a Cap perhaps ten or fifteen gigs.
3. All ISPs should play fair non of this all other ISPs apply the cap while Telkominternet don't.
These are the important things that need to be tackled first, afterward we can start comparing ourselves to the rest of the world.
My 2c use it don't use it
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, however if it has oh well... I'm just making sure it is... There is no logical justification for the constant 12hour resets and unless my isp is misleading me, I think they should be removed altogether...
But as with all things in South Africa, i'm not about to hold my breath in anticipation... Maybe we should all go squat outside telkom hq, like in the 70's?
But as with all things in South Africa, i'm not about to hold my breath in anticipation... Maybe we should all go squat outside telkom hq, like in the 70's?
Tell ICASA/Telkom to look here for prices, speed, bandwidth: www.bulldogdsl.com
Get with the times already! "DSL" 192k, with 3GB shaped cap is pathetic!
Get with the times already! "DSL" 192k, with 3GB shaped cap is pathetic!
Oh ya, also wanted to add the issue of access to the SAT-3 cabl. At the moment it is being played down to a great extent by the EASSY cable. BUT the implementation of this cable system is ONLY SET TO BEGIN in 2008. Which is totally unacceptable for South Africans to wait for. We've been waiting long enough for cheap broadband. This should be no excuse for ICASA not to look into the SAT 3 cable and FORCE TELKOM to lower the costs and to use more of the cable's capacity!
ICASA ADSL Hearings
Price, having to pay for the same line twice in the case of Telkom, bandwidth and it really would be great if South Africa could get rid of the monopoly held by Telkom.
Remember, of course, the Telkom/Vodacom relationship when talking of any of the above. ie Not only do Telkom control landline costs but also 3G etc pricing as they own a large portion of Vodacom and which supplier is big enough to go against those two?
Price, having to pay for the same line twice in the case of Telkom, bandwidth and it really would be great if South Africa could get rid of the monopoly held by Telkom.
Remember, of course, the Telkom/Vodacom relationship when talking of any of the above. ie Not only do Telkom control landline costs but also 3G etc pricing as they own a large portion of Vodacom and which supplier is big enough to go against those two?
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As an internet user (since arrival of this technology in SA) I have seen very limited progress till now. In 1999 when I had dial-up and the speed was poor (18.6kbps) in my area - best effort, in 2002 I went the ISDN route and saw a massive improvement. By mid 2004 the ISDN service had started to deteriorate to speeds dropping from 121kbps to 96kbps to almost 56k modem speeds. Then almost hourly if not daily frequent disconnects and lines dropping. I keep this ISDN to date as a necessity for internatlional downloads. In 2005 I went the adsl route only to have speed also decrease, hard capping, no local browsing, disconnections etc. And wow what a dissapointment GPRS and 3G are. I speak first hand. In fact its better to have stayed on dial-up than spend six years and countless R1000's on telkom bandwidth that is purely awfull.
Neither ICASA, Presidential promises or Telkom CEO promises have seen the light of day. South Africa does not have true broadand. Try streaming any TV content e.g. BBC and just look at how it drops out. Buffering is a word I have come to despise! Telkom, just for one month do not shape, cap or interfere with the sat3 service. Prove to us all in practice and not theory that the cable won't melt. Lastly, why are we paying for lines that were laid 20 years ago. The lines in my backyard are ancient and paid for a thousand times over, yet every month I have to pay for it, when I asked Telkom to replace it they said well it still looks ok and left. So if old crumbly lines, degraded services, speed and lack of phone support is the order of the day, who is to blame. Us who like fools keep paying!
Neither ICASA, Presidential promises or Telkom CEO promises have seen the light of day. South Africa does not have true broadand. Try streaming any TV content e.g. BBC and just look at how it drops out. Buffering is a word I have come to despise! Telkom, just for one month do not shape, cap or interfere with the sat3 service. Prove to us all in practice and not theory that the cable won't melt. Lastly, why are we paying for lines that were laid 20 years ago. The lines in my backyard are ancient and paid for a thousand times over, yet every month I have to pay for it, when I asked Telkom to replace it they said well it still looks ok and left. So if old crumbly lines, degraded services, speed and lack of phone support is the order of the day, who is to blame. Us who like fools keep paying!
Why doesnt the price of the rental come down as the volumes increase. In any market, as volumes increase the price comes down. It this not the case with DSL? I can understand that it would be expensive to install/maintain lines in rural areas where is only a few lines, but what about a business district where many companies are using the same lines?
what elkom can do in smaller areas
1. telkom told us it is to expensive for them to implement adsl in our area.
and that we have to do our own "thing"
so why cant they put in a 2x512 diginet gold lines to smaller towns, it cost them near to nothing, and then let the people wireless lan to the station where the lines is, all these small towns are 100% able to get line of sight, then icasa licencing ect wont be a problem, and telkom can say the actually did something.
I have seen allot of small comunities and their landskape are perfect for something like this !
WHY NOT ?
1. telkom told us it is to expensive for them to implement adsl in our area.
and that we have to do our own "thing"
so why cant they put in a 2x512 diginet gold lines to smaller towns, it cost them near to nothing, and then let the people wireless lan to the station where the lines is, all these small towns are 100% able to get line of sight, then icasa licencing ect wont be a problem, and telkom can say the actually did something.
I have seen allot of small comunities and their landskape are perfect for something like this !
WHY NOT ?
FREE interenet for ALL landline subscribers
For a country supposedly 'for the people' the greed of the Governement Owned Corporations inc. in South Africa is astounding.
In truly capitalist countries like America (who's governmental systems South Africa seems to have copied with the federal make up of the parlimentary system),where the only god they have is the persuit of profit, Sprint, Bell and AT&T Give 12MEG BROADBAND to all thier landline subscribers knowing like AOL (America Online) does that you can sell more to people who dont feel resentment to the supplier, so often the home owner will have what is called a 'four play' agreement in place, like Virgin is doing in the UK and so is Sky (BSKYB - aka rupert Murdoch of Independent Media fame).
Supply the landline with Free braodband (which in the UK does come with a 1gig cap - no cap in the case of AOL and Sprint, AT&T etc) the clients will often go and get a Cellular mobile phone and WIFI access for VoIP as an add on, on top of which some cable TV (for south africans who dont really know what that means - its a TV cable in the road capable of supplying up to 40MEG connections, even with HDTV being the norm there), so for the companities that see this is the worldwide trend why can't Greedy South African Quasi GOVT owned inc. see these possibilities?
What about the local government's responsibility to thier local voters, why doesn't the local mayor do somthing about this most important part of poverty relief?
If the Nigerians can see why this is important and the Ghanains' see how this helps Ghana and Nigeria literally pull themselves out of poverty through good worldwide comminications....
So much so that if South Africa does not watch out it will soon be surpassed by other AFRICAN countries!!
The AFRICAN rennaisance might have been given a boost by South Africa but if it holds too tightly to the information highway it will soon be left behind, the race is only just starting to help the whole of South Africa not just the top 1% of the country get richer then South Africa should give BROADBAND connections away to all who live within its borders for free!
The target to aim for is South Korea where the AVERAGE speed is 40MEG and the top speed BUILT IN networks in blocks of GOVT owned flats is 100MEG with no download limits - come on SOUTH Africa you can break a record!
Beat the rest, your infrastructure is not 400 years old or even 200 years old it means that the only reason the company TELKOM is witholding the right of every citizen and every schoolchild to learn and prosper is GREED and the control or choke point of the power in the hand of one man, the head of TELKOM.
After all what is that old saying 'information IS POWER'.
I know that a small country like South Africa can do it they just need to take thier (dare is say it?) apartheid blinkers off.
Look to the future and to the expansion of knowledge to provide the poor with the information they need to be creative and to help themselves, after all give a person a fish you feed him for a day give them 'nets and they can catch thier own fish.
I wish the people of South Africa were free to surf the 'net to catch their own fish and grow their sciences to match.
I look to uBUNTU for inspiration, they GIVE the UBUNTU away for the asking, these operating systems are being installed in Seattle,USA under the very noses of the biggest shark of them all - Microsoft. (PC FORMAT magazine,this months issue in letter to the editor).
That example shows what can be done when greed is not the primary concern but sharing or as the blurb says on the Ubuntu tin, UBUNTU, share with your fellow human beings.
Or as someone else wrote, 'build it and they will come', but as I say 'build it and give it away and they will stay and build a bigger better one'.
rpm said:
For a country supposedly 'for the people' the greed of the Governement Owned Corporations inc. in South Africa is astounding.
In truly capitalist countries like America (who's governmental systems South Africa seems to have copied with the federal make up of the parlimentary system),where the only god they have is the persuit of profit, Sprint, Bell and AT&T Give 12MEG BROADBAND to all thier landline subscribers knowing like AOL (America Online) does that you can sell more to people who dont feel resentment to the supplier, so often the home owner will have what is called a 'four play' agreement in place, like Virgin is doing in the UK and so is Sky (BSKYB - aka rupert Murdoch of Independent Media fame).
Supply the landline with Free braodband (which in the UK does come with a 1gig cap - no cap in the case of AOL and Sprint, AT&T etc) the clients will often go and get a Cellular mobile phone and WIFI access for VoIP as an add on, on top of which some cable TV (for south africans who dont really know what that means - its a TV cable in the road capable of supplying up to 40MEG connections, even with HDTV being the norm there), so for the companities that see this is the worldwide trend why can't Greedy South African Quasi GOVT owned inc. see these possibilities?
What about the local government's responsibility to thier local voters, why doesn't the local mayor do somthing about this most important part of poverty relief?
If the Nigerians can see why this is important and the Ghanains' see how this helps Ghana and Nigeria literally pull themselves out of poverty through good worldwide comminications....
So much so that if South Africa does not watch out it will soon be surpassed by other AFRICAN countries!!
The AFRICAN rennaisance might have been given a boost by South Africa but if it holds too tightly to the information highway it will soon be left behind, the race is only just starting to help the whole of South Africa not just the top 1% of the country get richer then South Africa should give BROADBAND connections away to all who live within its borders for free!
The target to aim for is South Korea where the AVERAGE speed is 40MEG and the top speed BUILT IN networks in blocks of GOVT owned flats is 100MEG with no download limits - come on SOUTH Africa you can break a record!
Beat the rest, your infrastructure is not 400 years old or even 200 years old it means that the only reason the company TELKOM is witholding the right of every citizen and every schoolchild to learn and prosper is GREED and the control or choke point of the power in the hand of one man, the head of TELKOM.
After all what is that old saying 'information IS POWER'.
I know that a small country like South Africa can do it they just need to take thier (dare is say it?) apartheid blinkers off.
Look to the future and to the expansion of knowledge to provide the poor with the information they need to be creative and to help themselves, after all give a person a fish you feed him for a day give them 'nets and they can catch thier own fish.
I wish the people of South Africa were free to surf the 'net to catch their own fish and grow their sciences to match.
I look to uBUNTU for inspiration, they GIVE the UBUNTU away for the asking, these operating systems are being installed in Seattle,USA under the very noses of the biggest shark of them all - Microsoft. (PC FORMAT magazine,this months issue in letter to the editor).
That example shows what can be done when greed is not the primary concern but sharing or as the blurb says on the Ubuntu tin, UBUNTU, share with your fellow human beings.
Or as someone else wrote, 'build it and they will come', but as I say 'build it and give it away and they will stay and build a bigger better one'.
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there is no other way
This is the way, my question is how do we get this perfect message out to internet users, and then to Telkom, so that they can open their hands, and help educate the community, giving each and every child the opertunity to access internet, like other countries in our world !
This is becoming a demand and not a question and answer anymore.
We must all stand together and demand broadband !
That’s they way to go
This is the way, my question is how do we get this perfect message out to internet users, and then to Telkom, so that they can open their hands, and help educate the community, giving each and every child the opertunity to access internet, like other countries in our world !
This is becoming a demand and not a question and answer anymore.
We must all stand together and demand broadband !
That’s they way to go
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My 2cents
I do not know how we are going to force Telkom to change, except for forcing government to let their stake in telkom go. We need competition, once telkom start losing business and ppl on the ground start losing their jobs because of this, telkom will start changing.
Asked for a business installation in October of 2005, at one address. I was promised then that it would take 21 days for them to process the request. I already had a adsl subscription through mweb and did not want to give this up.
3 weeks after applying I phoned telkom to hear what was happening, only to be informed that they can only install a line for me after they have done upgrades to their lines in July of 2006. No one phoned to inform me of this.
I then changed my application to get the line installed at my parents house where I would be able to get a adsl line.
In the interm I wanted them to install a normal telephone line untill the adsl service could be installed. I was told that this would cost me two installation charges, as these are different kinds of lines.....
When they came to install the line three telkom technicians all in different vehicles (fully equiped I must say) came to install ONE line. This was installed on the 07 of feb 2006.
Once they installed all the hardware they then relised that one of their DP boxes on their route was not connected through, and when they went to check (two of them, both in different vehicles) they could not get into the yard.
They came back to me saying that they left a note. They would complete the installation when they can make an appointment with the owner (when and if the owner phones them).
After lots of complaining, one went back and, lucky for me, the owner was home.
It took from 12:30 to 17:00 for three of them to install one line, 4 1/2 hours of my time also used....
Government get out of the game, govern our interests, then only will we get the service we deserve!!!!
Thats all that will help!
B.T.W. I have to move my adsl line because my parents are moving. Wonder how long this will take....
I do not know how we are going to force Telkom to change, except for forcing government to let their stake in telkom go. We need competition, once telkom start losing business and ppl on the ground start losing their jobs because of this, telkom will start changing.
Asked for a business installation in October of 2005, at one address. I was promised then that it would take 21 days for them to process the request. I already had a adsl subscription through mweb and did not want to give this up.
3 weeks
after applying I phoned telkom to hear what was happening, only to be informed that they can only install a line for me after they have done upgrades to their lines in July of 2006. No one phoned to inform me of this.I then changed my application to get the line installed at my parents house where I would be able to get a adsl line.
In the interm I wanted them to install a normal telephone line untill the adsl service could be installed.
I was told that this would cost me two installation charges, as these are different kinds of lines..... When they came to install the line three telkom technicians all in different vehicles (fully equiped I must say) came to install ONE line. This was installed on the 07 of feb 2006.
Once they installed all the hardware they then relised that one of their DP boxes on their route was not connected through, and when they went to check (two of them, both in different vehicles) they could not get into the yard.
They came back to me saying that they left a note. They would complete the installation when they can make an appointment with the owner (when and if the owner phones them).
After lots of complaining, one went back and, lucky for me, the owner was home.
It took from 12:30 to 17:00 for three of them to install one line, 4 1/2 hours of my time also used....
Government get out of the game, govern our interests, then only will we get the service we deserve!!!!
Thats all that will help!
B.T.W. I have to move my adsl line because my parents are moving. Wonder how long this will take....
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help is in our hands please help !
Tell me, is there a way we can set up 3-5 guys with all the knowledge to adress telkom from our side, so that they can get insight on what is hapening, and really see our problem, i think this thread on mybroadband have said enough, so that we can start with something from our side.
I would not be to hard to get 50 town municipal managers to also adress this high cost problem, so that at the end of the day we can maybe make a little tiny dent in the system, forcing them to look at least 1% in our direction ?????
Tell me, is there a way we can set up 3-5 guys with all the knowledge to adress telkom from our side, so that they can get insight on what is hapening, and really see our problem, i think this thread on mybroadband have said enough, so that we can start with something from our side.
I would not be to hard to get 50 town municipal managers to also adress this high cost problem, so that at the end of the day we can maybe make a little tiny dent in the system, forcing them to look at least 1% in our direction ?????