Important DA announcement expected

If I had to rate the top leaders of SA. Helen would definitely be in the top 5. It was a privilege to have met with her and worked with her. Under her leadership the party grew significantly. Lets hope our next leader can handle the pressure of the top job. Its no easy position with such focused media and information attacks to whomever is going to be there. At least Mmusi is unlikely to give the troll legion content to work with on Twitter.
 
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Party would grow larger though.
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Doubt it.

It would lose millions of people from its traditional base, and it would lose a lot of its fastly growing EC support.

Anyways, after Agang, I hope the days of parachuting leaders in is over. As Athol says, we should rather keep with our own leaders grown within the party. Every time someone has been parachuted in, its ended badly.
 
Helen Zille announced on Sunday that she is stepping down after eight years as the Democratic Alliance's leader.

Zille, a former journalist, joined the Democratic Party in the mid-1990s.

She was tasked with formulating the party's education policy and stood as a candidate on its election list for the Western Cape legislature.

In 1999, she was elected to the provincial legislature and appointed education MEC.

Zille served as an MEC until 2001, under the newly-formed Democratic Alliance.

She was leader of the opposition in the Western Cape legislature until she was elected to the National Assembly in 2004, where she served as an MP and the party's national spokesperson.

In 2006, Zille was elected Cape Town mayor. She was elected DA leader in 2007.

She served as mayor until the 2009 general election, when the DA won control of the Western Cape and she was appointed premier.

Zille was re-elected unopposed as party leader in November 2012.

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Ghoti, a serious question: As a party man, can you please name just one policy difference between the DA and the ANC.
 
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Arthur said:
Ghoti, a serious question: Can you please name just one policy difference between the DA and the ANC.
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Just using one policy, the economic one...

There are many, one would be how they handle labour law. The DA does not think the labour law with the ANC is constructive to business growth. Another way is they would scrap the Economic Development Department. Another difference would be regular regulatory impact assessments. They would establish a Parliamentary Budget Office. They would limit increases to government wage bills, more tender oversight, make sure corrupt people are removed, prevent public servants from doing business with the state, break up tenders to help small business, introduce a National Venture Capital Fund, create opportunity centers, no excessive perks for ministers, ring in certain taxes, encourage land ownership in former homelands, release state owned land for land reform, align executive pay with company performance, not to allow historically dominant unions from keeping out new and smaller players, bring back apprenticeships, etc etc.

The DA also believe that government should be creating the environment for business to thrive in, and not running business. So institutes like SAA, SABC, Eskom and Telkom would get huge changes. Just in one document, there are many changes. If you read the document it actually outlines these changes.

Feel free to read the full document here: http://www.da.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Economy.pdf
 
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Arthur said:
Ghoti, a serious question: As a party man, can you please name just one policy difference between the DA and the ANC.
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As policies are concerned, I'm ok with how things are. It's working for the most part. It's the corruption and maladministration that's grinding my veg. The fact the DA municipalities audited clean, says a lot more to me. First sort out the country's admin before trying to push a drastic new policy that probably wouldn't even get enough budget or just fall to pieces because of corruption.
 
Arthur said:
I'm asking about policy, not implementation.
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And I responded :) But you can have the best policies in the world, if they are not implemented correctly they can have terrible consequences, so implementation is important as the policy document itself.
 
ghoti said:
Have you read any of their policies? A single one? If so which one? And when compared to the ANC, which policy document is it the same as?
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Both you and the ANC support the NDP, the vision for South Africa's future. There's no other policy more significant than that one.
 
Thanks, Ghoti. I appreciate your answer.

I sometimes wonder which is worse: Lousy policies badly implemented? Or the same lousy policies thoroughly and effectively implemented?
 
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Both you and the ANC support the NDP, the vision for South Africa's future. There's no other policy more significant than that one.
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We also both support making sure people have access to water. But seriously... The NDP is but one facet of a much larger economic policy. Even within the NDP, the DA would prefer it to be more market driven and the ANC would like it to be more state driven. Also the ANC are more for the New Growth Plan than the NDP :P

But seriously... the NDP makes up a small part of the overall DA economic policy. Its certainly not a policy by itself within the DA. The only thing the DA and the ANC fully agree on is there has to be national development. Which is a pretty rational position for any party to take.
 
Arthur said:
Thanks, Ghoti. I appreciate your answer.

I sometimes wonder which is worse: Lousy policies badly implemented? Or the same lousy policies thoroughly and effectively implemented?
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Yah you are right. As they say, the road to tyranny is paved with good intention. but I like how the DA are know this, which is why Im sure you would approve of their plan to do regular regulatory impact studies. So that bad policy is quickly identify and corrected. Bad regulation is almost as bad as no regulation :/ Regulation is complex, has to be nimble and adapt so it doesnt hurt business.
 
So the way is clear for Mmusi to assume the top job because Athol wants to remain in the EC and become metro mayor if they win there (which he'd deserve because that'd be more or less his win). On the other hand De Lille wants to lead the WC DA and take over from Zille as premier (she too probably feels that she'd be responsible for the DA's continued domination there by bringing in the crucial coloured vote). So while Zille was able to pick which job she assumes while leading the DA, Mmusi wouldn't have the same luxury because all the "nice" jobs have more or less been claimed. If I was him I'd say no thanks as it looks like he's just going to end up being a figure head with the decision making being up to the federal council.
 
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So the way is clear for Mmusi to assume the top job because Athol wants to remain in the EC and become metro mayor if they win there (which he'd deserve because that'd be more or less his win).
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Its way more detailed than that. Athol wouldnt beat Mmusi in a run off and as far as I know those two are friends and Mmusi has Athols complete support. Also, The Eastern Cape want Athol to be Federal Chairperson. So thats the position Athol wants. Also, we have being expecting to get PE in these coming up elections for a while now. Before Athol threw his name into the ring, PE was expected with a high chance to turn blue. Though saying that, having Athols name there will definitely help.

So while Zille was able to pick which job she assumes while leading the DA, Mmusi wouldn't have the same luxury because all the "nice" jobs have more or less been claimed. If I was him I'd say no thanks as it looks like he's just going to end up being a figure head with the decision making being up to the federal council.
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Mmusi (if he wins) will have the same power and authority Helen did. No more, no less.
 
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