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Internet Explorer 8 too late?
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supersunbird
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When they release IE8 and "it's too late", will everyone switch over to other browsers and noone will use IE8? Will everyone stops using Windows? Will Microsoft crash and burn?
I guess the answer to the question is no then?
I guess the answer to the question is no then?
I think that IE lost out to "tech savy" people for a while now. Would be surprised if people would move from Firefox & co back to IE8.
There is also too many people in the world that don't care what browser they use and a standard windows update would just upgrade their browser without notice.
The fact that IE lost out on users over the last few years is a yes, but doubt that masses would run back to IE8.
There is also too many people in the world that don't care what browser they use and a standard windows update would just upgrade their browser without notice.
The fact that IE lost out on users over the last few years is a yes, but doubt that masses would run back to IE8.
Out of every 100 pepole, how many are "tech savy"?
1?
1,5?
The timing of the IE8 release will have absolutely no impact whatsoever in the real world. The masses are not going to "run back" to IE - they never left it in the first place.
By the way, which browser do you think is the most popular in China? IE? Firefox?
ThatOtherGuy
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I agree. At work I use Windows and don't bother to even download another browser. Of course at home I use Ubuntu and I have choices.
What I don't understand is why are 3rd party browsers such a big deal for the companies that make them? If the majority of people are using Gindows and IE comes bundled, what are the other companies gaining by ppl using their browsers?
What is there to gain by having the best browser?
The Browser Wars?
I have never seen what any commercial entity has to gain from having the best browser on the planet other than for the end user's benefit?
What does MS make out of IE for instance? Is there a lot to gain from having the most used browser on the planet? Surely it is the web content that counts not necessarily the browser? By this I mean we (internet users) can see the same content of this or any other page using IE or FF.
There is obviously a lot to gain having the best browser?
Maybe someone could list the benefits.
The Browser Wars?
I have never seen what any commercial entity has to gain from having the best browser on the planet other than for the end user's benefit?
What does MS make out of IE for instance? Is there a lot to gain from having the most used browser on the planet? Surely it is the web content that counts not necessarily the browser? By this I mean we (internet users) can see the same content of this or any other page using IE or FF.
There is obviously a lot to gain having the best browser?
Maybe someone could list the benefits.
MightyMuffinMan
Expert Member
Idea is marketing . Having a stable browser implies having a strong ability to make stable and reliable software. Also to note is that IE is tied into the OS (Using XP btw). You will notice that in a 32bit enviroment like xp it takes 1-3 sec to start up Firefox with add-ons installed. IE on the other hand is instantaneous but it gets stuck if it does not know hat to do. Firefox is tied into linux and also has an instantaneous start.
Firefox creators are open source and just want to create a truly personalised browsing experience. I have yet to use a browser that allows you to change anything you want.
Try it : google "about:config firefox" and what you want to change
IE 8 truly integrates silverlight which i believe is a major addition to the browser. Silverlight is amaazing when it comes to web content delivery.
Firefox creators are open source and just want to create a truly personalised browsing experience. I have yet to use a browser that allows you to change anything you want.
Try it : google "about:config firefox" and what you want to change
IE 8 truly integrates silverlight which i believe is a major addition to the browser. Silverlight is amaazing when it comes to web content delivery.
Did a quick search now and got this although an article from 2007. It will still show you the trend.
Some interesting trends
I think you are missing my point a little, but IE has definitely lots users to Firefox and co. Like the above mentioned article indicates the younger generation picks up on Firefox. As you will know the new internet generation kids are more "tech savy" thus will quickly snuff out the "better" browser out there. If you look at the stats below you will see IE and Firefox neck & neck with usage, which means that IE lots loads of users.
Here is some nice stats on browser usage / month.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
All this said and all there is still millions out there that don't even know anything else then IE, which comes standard with Windows.
Some interesting trends
plazma said:
I think you are missing my point a little, but IE has definitely lots users to Firefox and co. Like the above mentioned article indicates the younger generation picks up on Firefox. As you will know the new internet generation kids are more "tech savy" thus will quickly snuff out the "better" browser out there. If you look at the stats below you will see IE and Firefox neck & neck with usage, which means that IE lots loads of users.
Here is some nice stats on browser usage / month.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
All this said and all there is still millions out there that don't even know anything else then IE, which comes standard with Windows.
Kloofvreter
Honorary Master
This is true, but not necessarily a horrible thing. I mean they are not missing out on anything spectacular.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
to me the biggest test is the banking and security systems. How many banks work only with Internet Explorer? How many recommend that you use Firefox?
Until they switch over Internet Explorer is not going to go away.
Until they switch over Internet Explorer is not going to go away.
True & agree, the small differences in browsers will not make a difference in their lives.
They also don't say you must not use Firefox. For them it's a question of why change something if not necessary.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
They also don't say you must not use Firefox. For them it's a question of why change something if not necessary.
Nedbank Business will not work with Firefox. Any secure system which uses certificates will not work with Firefox.
What kinda certificates wont work with firefox? If its ssl it works fine across the board.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Nedbank issues the client with a USB dongle. When plugged into your computer the software on the dongle loads Internet Explorer and checks if the appropriate certificates are present on the client system. It then asks for your pin number and password. It is completely seamless. There is no way to make the dongle load Firefox, and I doubt if it would work in any other operating system either.
2CentsWorth
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That may have been true 10 years ago, but today the browser is a platform. For Firefox, it is their bread and butter or in better terms: their revenue platform. For Google it is their revenue platform but also their Google Apps extension. For Opera their browser is their business. The lesser browsers (Safari, Konqeror, etc) are still following Microsoft's old model of being installed along with the OS/window manager. This model nearly got Microsoft split in two.The Browser Wars?
I have never seen what any commercial entity has to gain from having the best browser on the planet other than for the end user's benefit?
What does MS make out of IE for instance? Is there a lot to gain from having the most used browser on the planet? Surely it is the web content that counts not necessarily the browser? By this I mean we (internet users) can see the same content of this or any other page using IE or FF.
There is obviously a lot to gain having the best browser?
Maybe someone could list the benefits.
For Microsoft, it is their delivery platform: Silverlight, MOSS, Project, etc are all such massive extensions to their browser platform that companies running these technologies require Internet Explorer to administrate and configure these technologies.
The old browser war many of us remember from years gone was so very different. It was also won by underhand tactics on the part of Microsoft. Back then I was forced to develop for Netscape before Microsoft. How things changed.
I also think articles such as this misses the plot. The differences between the browsers cosmetically are obvious and also negligible. However, it is the difference between the browsers behind the scenes that really matter. As I mentioned already, the tight integration of Google Apps on Chrome makes Chrome the best possible browser to use when using any of Google's myriad of offerings. This most likely will mean Google will eventually stop caring about making their apps work perfectly on other browsers and allow its developers to extend Chrome to take it to the next level. Internet Explorer is tightly integrated in the windows OS well as many of the Microsoft productivity and office server applications. .Net and MOSS developers actually don't care whether it works in Firefox or Chrome or Opera as their target market are generally locked into IE anyway. Safari's model will work for them on the basis of Apple's growing popularity, while konqeror and the likes will remain a niche market. Developers however are less likely to develop for these browsers (with the exception of specialist developers who are tasked with making things work on KDE or Apple, etc).
As all three and a and half major browsers are due for major releases next year, I certainly won't bet against Microsoft. That said, as an IE 8 Beta user since August, the differences between 7 and 8 are on the whole mostly behind the scenes kind of stuff ayway, and will most likely disappoint anyone expecting IE 8 to look and largely feel any different.
Stupid question from my side. Will setting Firefox as you default browser not launch it then?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Firefox is already my default browser!
No, I suspect the dongle makes a call on IE by name executable.