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Gendibal

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Hi,

Let's just say :rolleyes: I have about R7000/month available for investment. What would you guys recommend? Shares, property, gold (krugerrands), futures, etc.?

I'm 35 and have four kids (one in school), a R500k bond and a car I'm paying off. I've got a stable (hopefully :p) job with a regular income.

Note that the R7000 is money I normally have left over after paying all my monthly bills.

I know it's not a lot of information but I'd like to get a feeler from you guys before divulging more info...and this will be via PM only.

Shap!
Gendibal
 
Your initial aim should be to have a set of cash lying around instantly available to keep you afloat for 4 months should you loose your job.
- This you can store in a Virgin Money credit card. Currently, they have the best positive interest rate, and lowest (almost zero) charges.

Then you can look around for long-term options, where you have to give notice to get to your money. In the event of job-failure, these must be accesible after the above cash has dried up. These options have to provide a better interest rate than the credit card option above, and are rare. Be careful, take a close look at the charges applied to these products, they're sneaky bastids. Build this up to provide you with 1 year of income.
- Notice Accounts
- Guaranteed Government Bonds

Now that you have 1 year and a few months of a safety gap, you can begin to play with the remaining money. Here you should only do high risk stuff with the money, and try to offset the risks against each other. Options include:
- Gambling
- Investing in start-up businesses
- Investing in business re-financing for growth
- Investing in construction projects
- Buying small 1 bedroom units for the rental market
- Investing in stock on the stock market

Each of these options need to be further examined in their own right.
 
Your initial aim should be to have a set of cash lying around instantly available to keep you afloat for 4 months should you loose your job.
- This you can store in a Virgin Money credit card. Currently, they have the best positive interest rate, and lowest (almost zero) charges.

Then you can look around for long-term options, where you have to give notice to get to your money. In the event of job-failure, these must be accesible after the above cash has dried up. These options have to provide a better interest rate than the credit card option above, and are rare. Be careful, take a close look at the charges applied to these products, they're sneaky bastids. Build this up to provide you with 1 year of income.
- Notice Accounts
- Guaranteed Government Bonds

Now that you have 1 year and a few months of a safety gap, you can begin to play with the remaining money. Here you should only do high risk stuff with the money, and try to offset the risks against each other. Options include:
- Gambling
- Investing in start-up businesses
- Investing in business re-financing for growth
- Investing in construction projects
- Buying small 1 bedroom units for the rental market
- Investing in stock on the stock market

Each of these options need to be further examined in their own right.

Nice advice, almost there with the 1 year safety gap and was looking at putting money every month towards poker and other high risk business as it only makes sense, you've broke it down well.
 
Good time to be paying off your bond.
Then work towards a 2nd property.

I would second that.

Hopefully you have an access bond. This would mean that any cash you put into the bond is still available to you as cash when you need it for an emergency.

Then once the bond is fully repaid, I would also look to build up a property portfolio which you rent out.
 
Its simple really; pay off the debt that has the highest interest, in your case most likely your car. If your cars interest (what you pay) is 16% and your investment is 10% (what you earn); then paying off your car first will "earn" you 6% more than the investment.

Its also a good idea to examine the tax implications of various investments. My advice would be to go to FNB, they have full time investment advisers, who don't earn commission and therefore give good advise. We saw the one in Rivonia, and he gave us some really good ideas....
 
I agree with previous posters, pay of debt first.

You can also save cash on an access facility on your bond, a far better interest rate than any other card/saving/deposit product available.

It depends on how risk averse you are, but I wouldn't touch gambling, start-up business or anything as risky as that. Rather invest in property where you can use gearing to your advantage.

Another option for JSE exposure is Satrix, it is a good bet if you are willing to take a 10 year plus view. Maybe start with R2k a month. Diversification across various asset classes is important.
 
Pay an additional 10% towards your home loan - this should shave off about 3-4 years of the original bond term, another 10% towards your vehicle, and invest in shares.....I like sanyati at the moment - shares should be trading around R0.50 - R0.75 - they have quite solid financials and a forward book of about R2bn which should be realised by the end of 2010....just my 2c worth
 
Thanks for all the comments guys. Consensus seems to be to pay off existing debt, not to use the money towards potentially more profitable investments.

Thanks for the advice of going to an fnb consultant. I'll look into that.

I do have an access bond, which i've used on a few occasions - had to dig into it unfortunately.

Just did some sums...if i pay the extra 7k into my bond, i can wipe it out in 4.7 years! That's quite nice - the idea of being debt free.

My car is on a private loan - the amount to be paid back won't change even if I put extra in. Just the loan period would change.

Keep the advice coming....this is interesting
 
Thanks for all the comments guys. Consensus seems to be to pay off existing debt, not to use the money towards potentially more profitable investments.

especially now considering current market conditions and the low(ish) interest rates...
 
Thanks for all the comments guys. Consensus seems to be to pay off existing debt, not to use the money towards potentially more profitable investments.

Thanks for the advice of going to an fnb consultant. I'll look into that.

I do have an access bond, which i've used on a few occasions - had to dig into it unfortunately.

Just did some sums...if i pay the extra 7k into my bond, i can wipe it out in 4.7 years! That's quite nice - the idea of being debt free.

My car is on a private loan - the amount to be paid back won't change even if I put extra in. Just the loan period would change.

Keep the advice coming....this is interesting

If you feel that you're losing out on equities, then put 5 or 10k into a UT, and then add a k or 2 every few months.

BTW, having a few 1 bedroom flats will be handy when your kids grow up, you can rent it out to them.
 
Thanks for all the comments guys. Consensus seems to be to pay off existing debt, not to use the money towards potentially more profitable investments.

Thanks for the advice of going to an fnb consultant. I'll look into that.

I do have an access bond, which i've used on a few occasions - had to dig into it unfortunately.

Just did some sums...if i pay the extra 7k into my bond, i can wipe it out in 4.7 years! That's quite nice - the idea of being debt free.

My car is on a private loan - the amount to be paid back won't change even if I put extra in. Just the loan period would change.


Keep the advice coming....this is interesting

Your car depreciates in value. Even though it's seen as an asset (getting you to work etc) it's not.

7k into your bond EXTRA would pay it off much quicker than that, you miscalculated ;)

Get away with ABSA, they charge a crap load of money. Also watch out for their mandatory life insurance on the bond, your life insurance (after you paid off the bond) will stop. Use your personal life insurance for covering the house and the kids.

Don't start paying off the house immediately, I'd build up at least 7 months worth of cash in a savings account (30 day call account so you won't be tempted) so that when something does happen you can keep up with paying your bond/car/food/wife jewelry etc

Once that's done and you have a fall back, THEN pay off your house aggressively. Remember, you just said you had to dig into your access bond a few times already. This must be the LAST resort.

With ABSA there's quite a few banking charges. Try and move to FNB rather. Get the one account. This is where your salary gets paid into and runs off your bond. Meaning that R7k you'll push to your savings/money market account will pay off a couple of thousand rands worth of interest over the next few years just by briefly being in your account. It also acts as an access bond but IMO is much cheaper than ABSA's

Lets assume you never have to use that 7 months worth of savings you have in the bank account while paying off your house and your car... it earns interest on interest on interest over the years, which is a nice sum of money 18 years from now when your kids decide to go to varsity. The lucky bastards will then get a nice 2nd hand car from mommy and daddy so they can get around etc...
 
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With ABSA there's quite a few banking charges. Try and move to FNB rather. Get the one account. This is where your salary gets paid into and runs off your bond. Meaning that R7k you'll push to your savings/money market account will pay off a couple of thousand rands worth of interest over the next few years just by briefly being in your account. It also acts as an access bond but IMO is much cheaper than ABSA's
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This artical and some others put me off FNB.
I was interested in it, but I'll rather manage my accounts myself via IB and pay absa.

FNB’s One Account shocker
Big bank admits to astonishing, financially-painful blunders – customer fiasco.

Jackie Cameron
31 July 2007 00:00

First National Bank ( part of JSE-listed FirstRand: JSE: FSR) has admitted its much-touted One Account has been giving customers financial problems, but says it is fine-tuning, rather than ditching, it.

Bank errors leading to loan periods expanding and contracting erratically - which in turn suddenly increase or reduce minimum loan repayments - and incorrect interest charges emerged when a customer complained to the banking services' ombudsman.

The customer, accountant Marvin van de Heuvel of Cape Town, was confused over what was going on in his bank account and left short of funds at various times.

He says debit orders were returned, including car repayments - which led to a vehicle being repossessed and a bad credit record. As a result of this poor payment record, he says he can't find work in a finance department.

Van de Heuvel blames FNB for his woes, but FNB says he is at fault for his "history of poor account conduct".

The customer has turned down a "goodwill gesture" of about R30 000 from FNB. Van de Heuvel, in his early 30s, says he wants his name cleared and about R170 000 - which is what he estimates the fiasco cost him.

Meanwhile, there are other FNB clients who have experienced problems with their One Accounts.

FNB's CEO of home loans, Jan Kleynhans, recently admitted to Moneyweb that the One Account has systems' problems and that the bank has been working on ironing them out.

The account, although it looks like a home loan, is not actually managed by the same people and processes as the average home loan, he said.

FNB would not divulge the number of customers affected by One Account gremlins.

So, what went wrong?

Saving cash in a home loan has become a popular alternative for people who want to reduce the amount of interest they'll pay on a debt in the long run. And, if you like, you can pay off a property faster than initially anticipated.

An access, or savings, facility means you can move money in and out of a loan with considerable ease.

FNB has been touting its One Account as a home loan with extra bells and whistles, with people left thinking that if their salary stays in the account for only a few days they will save interest on their home loans

But the inner workings of the One Account are complex. Even FNB admits "some" customers "are experiencing difficulty in understanding" it.
Usually, when you dump extra cash into a home loan, the bank assumes that you will stick to your loan period until you state otherwise, so there is always a minimum you must pay that goes towards steadily wiping out the total debt plus interest.

The bank doesn't usually reduce the number of years it has given you to repay the loan without some discussion with you. Not so in the case of the One Account as Van de Heuvel experienced it.

He converted from a home loan to a One Account in March 2005.

In addition, the bank agrees it calculated an "overcharge of interest" between April and September 2006 of about R3 600. Van de Heuvel thinks he was overcharged about R8 500, and both produce spiderwebs of figures to state their case.

Lessons for others

The One Account is a financial minefield, though the detail on FNB's website makes it all sound very simple and easy to understand.

The bank says it is a "single facility, secured by your home". "It fulfils all the functions of a cheque account, overdraft, personal loans and home loan."

Benefits, claims the bank, include that you can view your overall financial position "at a glance".

This is not how Van de Heuvel experienced the One Account. He still can't understand his financial position "at a glance" - and neither can FNB, judging from its lengthy explanation to the ombudsman.

The repayment options may have been flexible, but with some unexpected nasty twists.

The messages in this include that it is probably simpler, and more sensible, from a personal financial management perspective to keep your home loan separate from your daily spending.

This way you also make it harder to waste the value of your property on items you will barely remember soon after paying for them.

And, if you can't understand what is going on in your bank account, don't delay in contacting your bank manager. Bank systems and their employees can and do, as Van de Heuvel's case shows, get the numbers wrong.
 
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