iPhone 6s

[Brawler]

It's nowhere near 50% the height, without a ruler it's probably around 80%.

What is your obsession with height. Surely when measuring the size of a button it is better to use height x width?

 

[PostmanPot]

What exactly am I covering up and what mistake did I make? I posted the process I used to eventually attach an item and when I was informed of a better way I acknowledged the correct way (which PP posted) but mentioned that it still was unintuitive and a mission. Something that fanboys will not admit.

All of Mail's formatting/editing is done through tapping. You're new to the iOS system (and to a larger degree, the Apple (and OS X) way), and intuition does not necessarily come right in the beginning.

If it's only begun to bug you now, I can't see it being much of an issue.

You can always use a different app.

Or go back to Android...?

The native mail apps on some of the Androids are horrendous. In fact you probably used a separate app for email.

 

[Dave]

What is your obsession with height. Surely when measuring the size of a button it is better to use height x width?

You were the first to use that measurement (2 pixels, remember?) I'm not going to change the measurement I've been using as a comparison because some "hysterical Hettie" changes his mind about what he wrote...

Anyway, enough now, you can go and look for your next HUGE issue, it's getting tiresome now.

 

[Brawler]

You were the first to use that measurement (2 pixels, remember?) I'm not going to change the measurement I've been using as a comparison because some "hysterical Hettie" changes his mind about what he wrote...

What are you on about? When did I ever mention height? When did I change my mind?

 

[Dave]

What are you on about? When did I ever mention height? When did I change my mind?

You claimed 2 pixels, that's a height on the screen, you changed your mind and claimed you didn't really mean it, remember?

But anyway, I heard that someone at Foxconn cried yesterday because they broke a fingernail, you might want to get worked up into hysterics about that as well.

Go on, let it all out.

 

[Brawler]

You claimed 2 pixels, that's a height on the screen, you changed your mind and claimed you didn't really mean it, remember?

You know pixels go both ways right... How did you know I was talking vertical pixels. Again you are being pedantic by taking obvious exaggeration seriously.

 

[PostmanPot]

You claimed 2 pixels, that's a height on the screen, you changed your mind and claimed you didn't really mean it, remember?

But anyway, I heard that someone at Foxconn cried yesterday because they broke a fingernail, you might want to get worked up into hysterics about that as well.

Go on, let it all out.

Let's just take the "2 pixels thick" hyperbole as hyperbole.

 

[prod]

Let's just take the "2 pixels thick" hyperbole as hyperbole.

Lets just take "overreacting like a typical fanboi" fact as a fact...

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Its pretty tough going from android to ios, I had many wtf moments when I wondered why some things were so counter intuitive.
You get used to it though and it works fine when you understand the general theme in which things work.

It honestly seemed like a step backwards when I came from android but I like ios now and Im quite comfortable with it.

 

[Brawler]

All of Mail's formatting/editing is done through tapping. You're new to the iOS system (and to a larger degree, the Apple (and OS X) way), and intuition does not necessarily come right in the beginning.

If it's only begun to bug you now, I can't see it being much of an issue.

You can always use a different app.

Or go back to Android...?

The native mail apps on some of the Androids are horrendous. In fact you probably used a separate app for email.

Tapping white space is simply not intuitive that's my mere point. It just goes against HCI principles. Its not a deal breaker for sure. Hardly worth the debate.

Android has got nothing to do with this.

 

[Dave]

Tapping white space is simply not intuitive that's my mere point. It just goes against HCI principles. Its not a deal breaker for sure. Hardly worth the debate.

Well said, I would agree.

Android has got nothing to do with this.

I know, I really hate the built in email client in my Galaxy S5, it is probably the worst stock app I've seen, I rather forward my email to gmail when I'm at work and using my S5.

 

[PostmanPot]

Lets just take "overreacting like a typical fanboi" fact as a fact...

Who is?

Tapping white space is simply not intuitive that's my mere point. It just goes against HCI principles. Its not a deal breaker for sure. Hardly worth the debate.

Android has got nothing to do with this.

It's not just tapping white space though. It's the same principle for any app to modify text etc. For example tapping anywhere in the text field box in any message. It's how iOS works. By default this text box is one character-tall. The same dimensions/area where one taps in Mail and elsewhere (with several character-tall text fields) as per my explanation about tapping to the right of the cursor.

They would have far more criticisms than iOS Mail.

 

[Way69]

Tapping white space is simply not intuitive that's my mere point. It just goes against HCI principles. Its not a deal breaker for sure. Hardly worth the debate.

Android has got nothing to do with this.

I think there are two reasons for this...

File attachments are new, so it's an afterthought.

Secondly iPhones have traditionally had tiny screens, there simply wasn't screen real estate to add permanent buttons for this functionality.

Ok, possibly a 3rd... Jony Ive is all about minimalism.

 

[Hush9300]

What exactly am I covering up and what mistake did I make? I posted the process I used to eventually attach an item and when I was informed of a better way I acknowledged the correct way (which Hush9300 posted) but mentioned that it still was unintuitive and a mission. Something that fanboys will not admit.

I'm a long time Apple and iOS user but their method for attaching files in the mail app is inexcusable. It's just not discoverable... Bad design is bad design. I don't care who is responsible for it.

That said, we should be thankful because for the longest while we weren't able to attach files using the mail app which made replies with attachments impossible. Back then you'd have to remember in which app the document was stored and navigate over there to open the share sheet and start an email from scratch.

So, progress has been made.

 

[PostmanPot]

I'm a long time Apple and iOS user but their method for attaching files in the mail app is inexcusable. It's just not discoverable... Bad design is bad design. I don't care who is responsible for it.

That said, we should be thankful because for the longest while we weren't able to attach files using the mail app which made replies with attachments impossible. Back then you'd have to remember in which app the document was stored and navigate over there to open the share sheet and start an email from scratch.

So, progress has been made.

We need to also differentiate between pictures and attachments. Pictures have always been attachable, which would make up the majority of what people are attaching.

Obviously the ability to add other attachments with iCloud Drive is welcomed for those who need them who would otherwise have had to use third party apps in the past.

I think I've sent one PDF with iMessage.

 

[Hush9300]

We need to also differentiate between pictures and attachments. Pictures have always been attachable, which would make up the majority of what people are attaching.

Obviously the ability to add other attachments with iCloud Drive is welcomed for those who need them who would otherwise have had to use third party apps in the past.

I think I've sent one PDF with iMessage.

Pictures were never always attachable. That function came with iOS 6 or 7, think it was 6.

You'd have to mail pictures from the photos app or copy and paste from the photos app to the mail app. Attaching anything in mail has always been a convoluted mess. It's just inexcusable as far as I'm concerned especially since Apple has openly gone after the corporate market.

 

[PostmanPot]

Pictures were never always attachable. That function came with iOS 6 or 7, think it was 6.

You'd have to mail pictures from the photos app or copy and paste from the photos app to the mail app. Attaching anything in mail has always been a convoluted mess. It's just inexcusable as far as I'm concerned especially since Apple has openly gone after the corporate market.

Yes, it was 6. A long time ago (and moot). Since then there can't have been issues with attaching pics.

No issues using third party apps for attachments either.

Of course, Apple leaves us with very high expectations, and it is now here with its native app.

I think we can nearly stop moaning about it.

 

[Dave]

Sigh. I'll test with some straight lines tomorrow.

Does this help? not anything special as a photo, but got straight lines for comparison. I'm not seeing much distortion in this.

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[whatwhat]

Yes, it was 6. A long time ago (and moot). Since then there can't have been issues with attaching pics.

No issues using third party apps for attachments either.

Of course, Apple leaves us with very high expectations, and it is now here with its native app.

I think we can nearly stop moaning about it.

No, go use the Outlook app and see how mail should be done. Apple UI/UX has been a disgrace this year, from Apple Music to the way you can't get rid of the crap stock icons on the Apple Watch.

 

[PostmanPot]

Does this help? not anything special as a photo, but got straight lines for comparison. I'm not seeing much distortion in this.

There's lots of distortion. It's to be expected with the 6/6s. I've accepted it.