iPhone is outdated: BlackBerry CEO

[greg0205]

Can't speak for iPhone, but there's nothing with my iPad running 6.1.3. I waited and waited but eventually took the plunge and I like the new look store for one. With Google releasing maps for iPhone there's nothing I know of that ought to keep people from updating.

Agreed. The only reason I held back updating to IOS6 was an untethered jailbreak. It's very stable as far as I am concerned and, there was an extra bonus as I had a stack of apps that had been updated to only run on IOS6. That said, IOS 6.1.3 kills the jailbreak so that won't be happening in my world any time soon, 6.1.2 it is.

Back OT, kinda... http://www.iclarified.com/28493/jonathan-ive-is-pushing-for-a-more-flat-design-to-ios-7

 

[ajules]

Had no problems on either my iPhone or iPad with latest software.Runs like a dream.
iOS does need a serious revamp and Jony Ive will deliver here - just a question of time.

 

[warchylde]

This image comes to mind :

dammit man, you just made me snort coffee all over my screen

 

[warchylde]

Its like one tortoise saying to the other: "Dude, you are slow". BB and iOS look virtually identical. Perhaps different functions, but identical look.

BlackBerry needs to take the log out of its eye out first before it starts pointing at the stick in iOS's.

I mean, peek. Thats it?

I don't need to play peekaboo with my notifications. They are always there (exactly where I put them) on my Windows Phone start screen.

Pretty much yes but I think Roux's pic above says it perfectly

 

[Rouxenator]

The iPhone is so outdated even Elop does not approve of it : http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-ceo-...hone-is-embarrassing-throws-it-on-the-ground/

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

iOS is outdated - it has not changed dramatically since 2007. Everyone seems to forget that it took 2 (!) years to introduce copy & paste on iOS in 2009 with iOS 3.x - something which was available on Android from the start. So if you look at iOS 2007 vs. iOS 2013 nothing much has changed. Highly anticipated features such as Notification Centre only came along in 2011.

Apple has failed in innovation since the iPhone 4. A simple example is the lack of NFC on iPhone 5 (what's the point of having Passbook?) or the epic failure with Apple Maps - something Apple still has not fixed. Although the company sits on tons of cash it has become complacent. You can't really wrong their products, they are A-class and solid, but Heins comment is valid. We will probably see an iPhone 5s and perhaps an iPhone 5mini come June but nothing really innovative (I think Samsung has done a better job there).

BB has the advantage right now, as the company is in survival mode and will need to execute the products and services in a strategic matter to survive. They have done this well so far - it will be interesting to see if QNX can be jailbroken. Z10 launching today in the US will be interesting to watch, but so far Z10 has made good progress - well executed launches, no stock shortages and considering it was a 180 shift for the company not many problems with the platform.

 

[Biscuit1018]

iOS is outdated - it has not changed dramatically since 2007. Everyone seems to forget that it took 2 (!) years to introduce copy & paste on iOS in 2009 with iOS 3.x - something which was available on Android from the start. So if you look at iOS 2007 vs. iOS 2013 nothing much has changed. Highly anticipated features such as Notification Centre only came along in 2011.

Apple has failed in innovation since the iPhone 4. A simple example is the lack of NFC on iPhone 5 (what's the point of having Passbook?) or the epic failure with Apple Maps - something Apple still has not fixed. Although the company sits on tons of cash it has become complacent. You can't really wrong their products, they are A-class and solid, but Heins comment is valid. We will probably see an iPhone 5s and perhaps an iPhone 5mini come June but nothing really innovative (I think Samsung has done a better job there).

BB has the advantage right now, as the company is in survival mode and will need to execute the products and services in a strategic matter to survive. They have done this well so far - it will be interesting to see if QNX can be jailbroken. Z10 launching today in the US will be interesting to watch, but so far Z10 has made good progress - well executed launches, no stock shortages and considering it was a 180 shift for the company not many problems with the platform.

I agree that iOS could use a revamp but I dont see it missing killer features

Nothing that would make me move away.

Seriously NFC - WHat can you do with it in SA today that changes the way you use the device?

As for jailbroken phones - tiny market. The market worth grabbing is for the people that use it out the box (which is by far the majority (even in Android)

As for performance the only thing that maters is sales and profit.

Apple still looking fine there.

 

[Biscuit1018]

He's not wrong.

Using my iPad makes me feel back in the 90s

Interesting since the iPad established effectively a new product category in 2010

 

[grok]

Well, given the choice, I'd rather take an Apple device than a BlackBerry.

I thought so too .. well, until I had a look at the new Z10 anyway.

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

I agree that iOS could use a revamp but I dont see it missing killer features

Nothing that would make me move away.

Seriously NFC - WHat can you do with it in SA today that changes the way you use the device?

As for jailbroken phones - tiny market. The market worth grabbing is for the people that use it out the box (which is by far the majority (even in Android)

As for performance the only thing that maters is sales and profit.

Apple still looking fine there.

Only reason I moved away from iPhone 4 is that the Z10 feels fresher (and I got it for free and MTN screwed me over, so I moved to pre-paid CellC). It is actually quite scary to see how deep I locked myself into Apple (iCloud, iPhoto sync, apps purchases and even fitness gear specifically so that I could use the iOS apps).

NFC has gained a lot of traction overseas - especially public transport and ticketing (I even think that for the world-cup SA tested NFC but don't think they did anything with it). NFC would have quite a number of good uses here - the first company providing NFC tokens which can be used on taxis for cash-less payments will score a huge market here.

Complacency is never a good thing - look at companies such as Ericsson (in it's days they had some sweet phones) or Nokia (the N95 and the E-series just rocked) - both pretty much wiped out when it comes to mobile devices. I think Ivy will struggle - to me it feels that Apple has become more "corporate" ever since Jobs has died and somewhat lost it's "coolness". Recent product- and marketing failures would have never happened under Job's rule. Tim Cook was the right choice for the transition, but in the end he is just a bean-counter (he rocks in logistics and did some amazing work for Apple when it comes to manufacturing and inventory processes).

 

[mercurial]

I thought so too .. well, until I had a look at the new Z10 anyway.

I must admit, I haven't really given it a proper look but then again, I'm also not an early adopter.

 

[cerebus]

NFC, well.... Samsung actually moved away from that recently with their Wallet app for pretty much the same reasons that Apple avoided it in the first place. If you can't build a killer business or selling point around a feature, why include it except for cookie points? Passbook actually works brilliantly already and Samsung's imitation of it is evidence that it's gotten quite a bit of traction.

As for Maps, I'm not sure you understand how mapping technology works. It's a matter of aggregating user data over time to eliminate errors. They are improving it as fast as their resources will allow. Google had a lot more lead-up time to get GMaps right. It doesn't mean that Apple didn't screw up because they did badly, but you also can't just wave a stick and fix it.

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

NFC, well.... Samsung actually moved away from that recently with their Wallet app for pretty much the same reasons that Apple avoided it in the first place. If you can't build a killer business or selling point around a feature, why include it except for cookie points? Passbook actually works brilliantly already and Samsung's imitation of it is evidence that it's gotten quite a bit of traction.

As for Maps, I'm not sure you understand how mapping technology works. It's a matter of aggregating user data over time to eliminate errors. They are improving it as fast as their resources will allow. Google had a lot more lead-up time to get GMaps right. It doesn't mean that Apple didn't screw up because they did badly, but you also can't just wave a stick and fix it.

I think if Apple was willing enough they could have bought any mapping company such as Waze for example ;-)

Just did a search for Apple Maps and stumbled on this http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ (as a CEO it would pain me everyday to drive traffic to Bing or Google)

 

[cerebus]

I think if Apple was willing enough they could have bought any mapping company such as Waze for example ;-)

I believe they bought the mapping asset from a 3rd party originally - maybe TomTom? I'm not sure now and Google is borked :/

Just did a search for Apple Maps and stumbled on this http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ (as a CEO it would pain me everyday to drive traffic to Bing or Google)

Yea he openly did recommend users to go to other mapping services until Maps was fixed. Actually their goal was rather more political to do with their relationship with Google and Google's wish to get further embedded into iOS that made Apple push back and create their own maps. In the end it did balls up because it arrived half-baked, but it still accomplished Apple's goal and Google ended up releasing a far superior Gmaps version complete with all the features they'd been cutting out until then.

 

[jannievanzyl]

Well done. Excellent chirp. Made me laugh.

All we need now is Samsung & Google joining in and we have virtually all the 5 year old kids in the playground

Lets face it
- People have preferences and some phones sneak ahead of others BUT
- Right now none of Apple, BB, WP8 and Android (Smartphone and tablet) are that different from one another
- People argue from the eco-system they are part of (My team is the best grunt, grunt) but that is a completely flawed argument. Argue from the perspective if you were in the other eco-system and see where you come out


I ask the simple question
- If one was an iOS user what is there to lure them across to another ecosystem that makes the migration effort and cost worth it (then apply vice versa). I get the same answer both ways. Nothing.

I use iOS. I want changes. I see things in like in other o/ses and ecosystems
I see nothing to lure me across that is worth the effort or cost.
Now if I flip it across and I am advising an invested Android user. I can think of no worthwhile argument to lure them the other way.

Sad but the industry is awaiting the next big thing. The next big product category.
Will it be wearable computers? Who knows?
Apple were early to the game with a good product with the most recent product categories.
It does not follow that they will get it right this time.
They are working on glasses as well. But they are secretive so we have no idea how far along they are (if at all)

Probably the best post on the topic.

The top 4 (IOS, WP8, Android, BB10) are now so close, it's really down to brand loyalty and very specific features that'll swing a buying decision (but not much). We're currently in an evolutionary phase and manufacturers are bringing out incremental changes to keep the faithful happy.

The BB CEO is right that the iPhone 5 is currently 'dated' but he must understand he now plays in the real world where there is no BIS and you're only as good as your best device in the last 6 months.

Enjoy the limelight while the Z10/BB10 is 'fresher' but be warned in 6 months times the tables would've been turned. The S4 is on its way and will surely be followed by a new iPhone. And so the cycle goes on.

I'd be careful to make these statements as they're bound to be remembered in the near future when your own device might be lagging.

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

The BB CEO is right that the iPhone 5 is currently 'dated' but he must understand he now plays in the real world where there is no BIS and you're only as good as your best device in the last 6 months.

But that should make companies like VC/MTN happy - the hardcore BB/Vodacom fans will now have to trade up for bandwidth or churn to CellC (almost twice the value for a 599 bucks) ;-)

I think both the Z10 and Q10 will gain a strong foot print in the corporate world. Apple has the problem of a ton of cash in bank accounts and no new products. Google Android is too fragmented and companies like Samsung are succeeding but will eventually need to decide if they go with a proprietary OS (I would consider it more risky to run my hardware on a licensed OS considering Googles "no evil" strategy).

 

[cerebus]

But that should make companies like VC/MTN happy - the hardcore BB/Vodacom fans will now have to trade up for bandwidth or churn to CellC (almost twice the value for a 599 bucks) ;-)

I think both the Z10 and Q10 will gain a strong foot print in the corporate world.

Too little too late, imo. Unfortunately so but I can't see them clawing back a strong footprint in anything anytime soon. If they survive it will be just barely, and it will take years to build up a real momentum again.

Apple has the problem of a ton of cash in bank accounts and no new products.

Since when was having a ton of cash in bank accounts a problem? And they do have new products.

Google Android is too fragmented and companies like Samsung are succeeding but will eventually need to decide if they go with a proprietary OS (I would consider it more risky to run my hardware on a licensed OS considering Googles "no evil" strategy).

Google 'no evil' strategy is a corporate line and it's complete nonsense. I suspect that within the next couple of years we'll see Google going it alone on Android. They're realizing now the same thing Apple realized some time ago - not one other company on earth is their buddy. Their interests need to come before the enrichment of any other company. Android will be reined in and made to serve Google, and then we could see some really superb things coming out of their hardware division with Sunar in charge and Motorola's production capabilities.

 

[jannievanzyl]

Google 'no evil' strategy is a corporate line and it's complete nonsense. I suspect that within the next couple of years we'll see Google going it alone on Android. They're realizing now the same thing Apple realized some time ago - not one other company on earth is their buddy. Their interests need to come before the enrichment of any other company. Android will be reined in and made to serve Google, and then we could see some really superb things coming out of their hardware division with Sunar in charge and Motorola's production capabilities.

They have little choice.

 

[mercurial]

Nokia CEO also taking a jab...

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-Elop-says-owning-an-iPhone-is-“embarrassing”

 

[falcon786]

Well to be honest I have an iphone 5 and z10 right in front of me now and the BB ceo is correct,but it wont mean much until bb10 can get a truckload of high quality apps.Apple currently have the best apps no doubt but the bb interface is slicker and much more modern and powerful,I especially like the hub and swipe up to the menu feels more natural than pressing a button like android/ios.

The z10 is selling well but most BB fans are actually waiting for the q10 it seems and I can see that device outselling the z10 easily,once that happens the path becomes a highway for proper development on bb10.

BBM and a hardware keyboard are the q10's main weapons to compliment that slick powerful interface and it may just be what makes BB the third strong player in the market giving them the slight edge over nokia/wp8.