"Iran Has No Nuclear Weapons Program"

[mercurial]

Yeah you and trek dumbo .

me, trek, lonegunman, goughedeye, chiskop xarog and probably more people that are with us, than amount that still believe the lies that george bush and co. puts forward. who knows how many more are with us on this, since most of them do not want to engage in political debates and i now see why. i'm tempted to go their way. the fact of the matter is, more and more people in the world don't believe the lies that they were told anymore. i wish more people could wake up. i have nothing against you personally, in fact we don't ever debate on other issues, so we agree on most things. i just disagree with you on the whole 911-george bush stuff. you are entitled to your beliefs, as is everyone else.

 

[Alan]

LOL and the large majority of South Africans support the ANC

 

[Frankie]

LOL and the large majority of South Africans support the ANC

I don't think he'll pickup on that.

 

[icyrus]

Honestly, no.

It's like a criminal refusing to fess up to a theft, and a Criminal coming forward to hand himself in over a crime he commited. You expect a criminal to lie about the former, but not the latter.

Similarly, the neocon hawks are expected to lie to make their case for war. They've done it before. Now something comes up which is equivalent to a criminal handing himself in at a police station. The events and their circumstances are dramatically different from each other.

I guess I am not explaining myself well.

The way I see it is: either the source and its information is credible or not right?

Here we have a NIE that is taken as gospel whereas NIEs from the same source in the past were dismissed as lies. My issue is that people seem to judge the value of the report and its credibility based on whether or not it agrees where their political point of view.

I see what you are saying but I don't agree. You seem to imply that the intelligence agencies are criminals who lie all the time, except in this case - now they are confessing to previous lies.

 

[Frankie]

because of all the propaganda that's being spread thru the media.

So was the beheadings that they so proudly circulated on the internet "propaganda" produced in a studio in the west?
What with the rape victim getting a goal term and lashes and the recent teddy bear saga, there's absolutely no need for "propaganda".

 

[Alan]

I don't think he'll pickup on that.

Probably

 

[Xarog]

I guess I am not explaining myself well.

The way I see it is: either the source and its information is credible or not right?

No.

You expect a criminal to lie about a crime he's committed. You don't expect him to be lying when he walks into a hospital claiming he's been shot.

Here we have a NIE that is taken as gospel whereas NIEs from the same source in the past were dismissed as lies. My issue is that people seem to judge the value of the report and its credibility based on whether or not it agrees where their political point of view.

Certainly, it's wrong of people to either believe or disbelieve something solely because of whether or not it agrees or disagrees with their viewpoint.

However, I don't think that's the case here.

I see what you are saying but I don't agree. You seem to imply that the intelligence agencies are criminals who lie all the time, except in this case - now they are confessing to previous lies.

Interesting way to put it.

If you believe a criminal is lying... and the next day he says, "yeah, sorry, yesterday I was lying", do you believe him or not? If you don't believe him, doesn't that force you to then believe that he was telling the truth?

We know for a fact that the Intelligence on Iraq was doctored in order to make for a more convincing case for war. We know that Bush put pressure on the intelligence agencies to give reports that were favourable to his political desires. In light of that, all other supporting evidence has to be viewed with suspicion.

To my knowledge, people don't generally think that the US intelligence services are incompetent. Since the US regime was the one interfering with the reports, and this report goes against their stated objectives (war with Iran), one can at least assume that the regime were not successful in leaning on the contents of the report.

That, by itself, makes the report far more credible, irrespective of any personal viewpoints.

 

[mercurial]

LOL and the large majority of South Africans support the ANC

and that's cos the majority of people in this country are black. they tend to vote for their people

in any event, they have nothing to do with the rest of the world who have finally opened their eyes. you should try it sometime

 

[Frankie]

Probably

I was right

ROFL

 

[mercurial]

So was the beheadings that they so proudly circulated on the internet "propaganda" produced in a studio in the west?
What with the rape victim getting a goal term and lashes and the recent teddy bear saga, there's absolutely no need for "propaganda".

i doubt you've seen the video on the net a few years back in which an american kid forged a beheading video, posing as a Muslim extremist. he later admitted it was a hoax and said he did it to show how easy it is to fake videos

regarding the rape saga, i find it crazy that the girl got whipped. she was the victim. but this is all besides the point. the propaganda i'm referring to is to 911 and post 911 stories. since then, the media has made it their mission to display Muslims all over the world as ruthless, vile people. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. like i said before, i'm done talking, cos i tend to talk to walls.

 

[Frankie]

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. like i said before, i'm done talking, cos i tend to talk to walls.

It's common knowledge that the impoverished are more likely to resort to religion - I wonder what this has to do with it

 

[Frankie]

since then, the media has made it their mission to display Muslims all over the world as ruthless, vile people.

You don't think that the cartoon saga, the rape victim's sentence, and the teddy bear saga, had anything to do with this?

 

[Nom Chompsky]

me, trek, lonegunman, goughedeye, chiskop xarog and probably more people that are with us, than amount that still believe the lies that george bush and co. puts forward. who knows how many more are with us on this, since most of them do not want to engage in political debates and i now see why. i'm tempted to go their way. the fact of the matter is, more and more people in the world don't believe the lies that they were told anymore. i wish more people could wake up. i have nothing against you personally, in fact we don't ever debate on other issues, so we agree on most things. i just disagree with you on the whole 911-george bush stuff. you are entitled to your beliefs, as is everyone else.

Your point is...? Of course we should all remember that LoneGunman and Kilo39 both supported the ANC at one stage or another and now they don't (amazingly how the clock turns...). So if anyone was brain-washed, it'd be the liberals, not the those "naughty" neo-cons . Do you really want to be bitten in @ss again by believing these same people?

And Mercurial you are on record (in a previous thread) as saying you don't believe anything the US government says: so why are you believing this report then?

 

[Alan]

Your point is...? Of course we should all remember that LoneGunman and Kilo39 both supported the ANC at one stage or another and now they don't (amazingly how the clock turns...). So if anyone was brain-washed, it'd be the liberals, not the those "naughty" neo-cons . Do you really want to be bitten in @ss again by believing these same people?

Yeah back in the day when 'everybody' suppported mad BoB and the ANC. Hell they all hated Reagon as well but now they've all changed their tune as per usual.

And Mercurial you are on record (in a previous thread) as saying you don't believe anything the US government says: so why are you believing this report then?

So sad.

 

[d0b33]

guys, i've been trying to get thru to alan on a number of times. it's a pointless and futile task. he will never change his position on george bush and co. he mumbles on and on about nonsense and tries to diffuse all evidence brought to his attention with mumbo-jumbo talk, instead of actually looking at what is being presented and stop talking nonsense.

Yep, it's been a year since I've seen alan's posts and nothing has changed

 

[Alan]

Yep, it's been a year since I've seen alan's posts and nothing has changed

Yeah facts don't change unfortunately for you

 

[rwenzori]

Yeah back in the day when 'everybody' suppported mad BoB and the ANC. Hell they all hated Reagon as well but now they've all changed their tune as per usual.

You were just a suckling babe, if even conceived, at the time, so stop talking out your Boodles-String-Hole as usual LOL!

Besides, we all know that Roland Raygun died, was stuffed and motorized, and continued to rule for many years!

 

[Xarog]

Yeah facts don't change unfortunately for you

Niether do minions.

I wonder what you'll do when you finally accept the truth as being self-evident.

It may take a century or two though, you've been stuck inbetween stage 1 and 2 for ages.

 

[Alan]

Niether do minions.

I wonder what you'll do when you finally accept the truth as being self-evident.

It may take a century or two though, you've been stuck inbetween stage 1 and 2 for ages.

LOL you're still stuck at rediculing it.

 

[Xarog]

LOL you're still stuck at rediculing it.

Not quite.

See, I know what the truth is, and I've taken great pains in the past to try to explain it to you.

But the fact that you're a minion makes you impervious to logic or rational thought, which is probably why you troll here all day with ad-hominems instead of trying to actually engage in debate.

It should hardly come as a surprise that you haven't added a single productive thing to this thread. Even the quotes you posted came from other people's contributions. Another thing to chalk up to minionhood.